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Old 09-23-2019, 02:56 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by houseofglass11 View Post
Bruh it all came back to Billy and Paz having a thing. He clearly got butthurt when she started banging the other band members and I fully believe that's why he broke up the band. Also, there was no indie groundswell. Zwan got terrible reviews from the snarky indie outlets like Pitchfork and lukewarm reviews from even the regular outlets like Rolling Stone etc.
Nah, this isn't true.

Zwan had gained a lot of positive indie press due to their live shows throughout 2001 and 2002. They had indie cred with those songs and people were optimistic about the album. The articles & interviews leading up to their debut pitched it as the resurrection of Billy Corgan.

This kinda faded when Paz joined and the new songs in the fall 02 tour shifted tonally in a much poppier direction. Once the studio tracks started leaking... sheesh. MSOTS got great reviews but had no indie cred whatsoever because of the production and tracklist. The band just morphed from something cool and semi-obscure into Corgan's saccharine pop behemoth.

The production of Mary Star of the Sea the album, and the aesthetic of that album, could not be further removed from the Glasshouse / Galaxy / Emerson shows. It also wasn't what Pajo and Sweeney signed up for. The band 100% disintegrated because Billy wanted to make a chart-topping pop record and wouldn't settle for an indie audience, and he went ballistic because Paz banged Pajo and they probably took the piss out of him.

Billy overthought it, got greedy and his song-writing's never been the same since. Well... Ogilala recaptures some of it I guess.

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