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Old 03-09-2020, 09:48 PM   #182
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Can't help thinking of what happened to UK Labour under Corbyn in their last election. Different problems, but a population who should have been all for Corbyn's proposals knocked them back in traditionally Labour-voting areas because the Brexit Party and the Tories were the only ones prepared to go low enough to trigger the protectionist/xenophobic/racist knee-jerk. The working poor and unemployed don't want justice, maybe...maybe they just want good jobs and they have a belief that putting the U.S.A. first, at all costs, is an acceptable way to guarantee that

I wonder if part of the problem on the left is a weird faith in the baseline morality of most people. Kids in cages, billionaire classes paying no tax, people dying because they can't afford healthcare, student debt crippling new generations, there is a weird faith that everybody cares about these things. I just wonder if a lot of people are past that now...because those are essentially existential concerns, and too many people have slipped backwards into being primarily interested in material concerns - they're not interested in theories about providing equitable healthcare coverage for the general population - they're interested in having a job that can pay the bills and is reasonably secure. And then for that group (which according to the data I've seen, is growing), Trump basically says, I will get you a job, at any expense. I don't care if the world falls apart and we imprison children at the borders. I will create new American jobs. And maybe people love that shit more than anything else.

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