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Originally Posted by enthusaroo
So basically Pumpkins fans give it 4/10 - that feels about right.
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Well yeah, the length detracts.
I hated most of those singles, but listening to the full album, it’s clear Corgan is invested in this, and occasionally it’s succeeds at what it sets out to do. But this is with the caveat that the entire record is mired by his vocal choices and it’s 20 straight tracks of 4min synth pop songs, some of which are hella bad.
Save Your Tears is the only song with any structural development - I’d take an album of that. Attempting the style of Tyger or Cyr is not something fans want even if it’s a success, and results here are mixed. The production is better than MTAE. The lyrics are better than MTAE. The backing vocals are better than Shiny 1. But it’s MTAE level song-writing with aesthetic improvements.
A better tracklisting would bump it to a 5 or 6 which is roughly where I placed MTAE on release (I like it less nowadays)