Unbelievably awesome album review

[Starchildren]

sorry if its been posted already, but Tiny Mix Tapes explains everything you thought you knew about the Zeit.......



http://www.tinymixtapes.com/The-Smashing-Pumpkins


every single point is bang on.

[slunken]

tiny mix tapes rules...i ain't hatin' it...

[mccririck]

That is a good review. Should shut up the wingers who complain about reviews not talking about the music. 1.5 stars, suck on that one Billster.

[slunken]

mccririck, why e'rry'body hatin' on you?

oh, and this thread will sink because everybody hates 1) double-clicking and 2) reading.

[sweter33]

at least they got Chamberlin fine, but: Melissa Auf Du Mar really had me laughing

I respect this guy's opinion, though I don't agree with it, especially:

it does nothing to prevent commercial music from inching closer and closer to complete triviality, possibly even providing an extra push.

If he can't tell the difference between commercial rock like Linkin Park or Papa Roach (is this even rock?) and Zeitgeist, he's deaf or dumb, or heard none of them. Seems like 'catchiness' equals 'commerciality' to this reviewer, to which I have but one comment: "hipster indie loser"

[Fritter]

Good review. Though i like Zeitgeist in spite of pretty much agreeing with everything in that review. I still thing Zeitgeist is better than Machina.

[Trotskilicious]

Such a tragedy; Zeitgeist, unlike, say, a new Pixies, Police, NY Dolls, Stooges, or Jesus and Mary Chain album, actually had the chance to rekindle old glories. The Pumpkins faithful aren’t really that old, nor is Corgan too far gone – thin ice, but stay with me here – to contribute something worthwhile to the music community. But Zeitgeist is more calculated, by-the-numbers, and devoid of human feeling than a summer-movie marketing plan. Whether it results in a blockbuster is beside the point; it does nothing to prevent commercial music from inching closer and closer to complete triviality, possibly even providing an extra push. For a band that – whether unwittingly, whether for the right or wrong reasons – assisted in the upheaval of popular culture not so long ago, Zeitgeist represents an artistic flame flickering. There are indications within Zeitgeist that Corgan’s Smashing Pumpkins may one day create another serviceable album, but for all intents and purposes, it also proves that excitedly anticipating anything remotely resembling the Glory Days was at best a fool’s hope.

Sometimes I think Billy made it manufactured, hollow, and paint-by-numbers on purpose and called it Zeitgeist to "prove a point" because I really think he is that kind of guy.

[mccririck]

Originally Posted by sweter33

at least they got Chamberlin fine, but: Melissa Auf Du Mar really had me laughing

I respect this guy's opinion, though I don't agree with it, especially:



If he can't tell the difference between commercial rock like Linkin Park or Papa Roach (is this even rock?)

Yes it is rock and yes it is commercial rock.

[Starchildren]

"If you’re going to rip on Zeitgeist, do it because it’s not very good. As has been proven in the Rock medium time and time again, money can’t buy class. It also can’t buy awareness. Taking an objective look at Corgan’s past successes and failures, it’s easy to see what has instigated his downfall: For one, his voice; for two, his lack of inspiration. Zeitgeist seems to have more inspiration behind it than the bloodless Adore/Machina abominations, but that voice... In the Siamese Dream days, it used to lie just beyond our grasp, elusive and brittle and beautiful; you could even hear a little Kevin Shields in the way Corgan’s voice melted into the fuzz. Ever since then, it’s slowly crept to the forefront, to the point where it now seems as though Corgan’s right next to me as I write this. I can’t lock horns with the guitar leads and increasingly rare tom-fills because Corgan’s too busy yammering in my ear. Worst of all, I don’t care a wit what he has to say. You won’t either."

[slunken]

"Sometimes I think Billy made it manufactured, hollow, and paint-by-numbers on purpose and called it Zeitgeist to "prove a point" because I really think he is that kind of guy."

I'm def. feeling you, bra...

[slunken]

who wants honey?

[mccririck]

Originally Posted by slunken

who wants honey?

"I'll take the money please Des, make sure you ship twenty twelve different versions of the album. Just change the colour of the bookley, and slap one of these three reject songs on a few of them."

[ChristHimself!]

you forgot to mention that it clips all the time and there is ... limiting and stuff

[Fritter]

Also this guys sucks for not listening to Adore and instead spouting out some bullshit assumption. Adore is hardly 1979 stretched out over a disc.

[mccririck]

Originally Posted by ChristHimself!

you forgot to mention that it clips all the time and there is ... limiting and stuff

You forgot to fuck off.

[mccririck]

Originally Posted by Fritter

Also this guys sucks for not listening to Adore and instead spouting out some bullshit assumption. Adore is hardly 1979 stretched out over a disc.

Yes I dont like the way he dismissed Adore, but most of the other stuff he said was true.

[ChristHimself!]

Originally Posted by mccririck

You forgot to fuck off.

aww .. don't spit your dummy just because someone caught you talking out of your arse

[mccririck]

Originally Posted by ChristHimself!

aww .. don't spit your dummy just because someone caught you talking out of your arse

Where did I talk out my arse? You are the clueless one mate. Go and suck Brendo's cock.

[slunken]

""I'll take the money please Des, make sure you ship twenty twelve different versions of the album. Just change the colour of the bookley, and slap one of these three reject songs on a few of them.""

It's all coming down...haven't you heard?

edit: by christ himself's power, I WILL reach 700 posts tonite...

[sweter33]

I don’t care a wit what he has to say. You won’t either.

that's what I hate the most about reviews. Let me decide, will you? Not only does he know how "Zeitgeist" will affect the music industry, but this faggot also knows what I'll think of it.

[Starchildren]

Originally Posted by ChristHimself!

you forgot to mention that it clips all the time and there is ... limiting and stuff

http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon10.gif

you don't have to! the album sucks for exactly the reasons the review listed. the hot mastering is just icing on the cake.

[slunken]

reviews aren't a guideline...

they're a guidepost...

(or in this case a zeitgeist...sorry couldn't resist)

[mccririck]

Originally Posted by sweter33

that's what I hate the most about reviews. Let me decide, will you? Not only does he know how "Zeitgeist" will affect the music industry, but this faggot also knows what I'll think of it.

I think he's right. I'd call it artistic license, obviously some fanboys are going to disagree with him but ultimately the lyrics are mundane and pointless.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by sweter33

that's what I hate the most about reviews. Let me decide, will you? Not only does he know how "Zeitgeist" will affect the music industry, but this faggot also knows what I'll think of it.

you sure take things personally

[slunken]

when have the lyrics been poignant? in what manner?

[Trotskilicious]

well there are lots of cases of the lyrics being silly but just as many instances where they're great. i still remember all the words to zero.

zeitgeist is pretty weak

[sweter33]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you sure take things personally

Could be, but I think I just read "you" as "you". Don't you?

I said it: this fellow has some valid points and the others are just his subjective opinion which he is entitled to, but at this particular bit that I quoted he's being a smartass.

[slunken]

so it's great lyrics vs. non-great lyrics?

the only lyrics I hate on the new album are the lyrics to U.S.A. (except the last part)

good jam...bullshit lyrics...

edit: how often can i use the word "lyrics" without it becoming totally abstract? Answer: two

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by sweter33

Could be, but I think I just read "you" as "you". Don't you?

i read it as poor formal writing

[liamoversion2]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

Sometimes I think Billy made it manufactured, hollow, and paint-by-numbers on purpose and called it Zeitgeist to "prove a point" because I really think he is that kind of guy.

Given that the b tracks are better by miles than most of what's on the album, I'd say you're probably right.

Death from above is fucking cool. I've listened to that on repeat for hours, but most of the album I just skip... or frequently find myself pressing eject.