mtv.com article about SP, Tarantula video

GeekUSA86 · 07-03-2007, 10:52 AM

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/156...pumpkins.jhtml

SlingeroGuitaro · 07-03-2007, 10:56 AM

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Perhaps the Smashing Pumpkins have always been Corgan's solo project — if that's the case, it's way better than James Iha's solo project.

awesome

Martyr · 07-03-2007, 10:58 AM

don't read it....

GeekUSA86 · 07-03-2007, 10:58 AM

And I love how he says that Jimmy played drums on all of TFE when trying to prove that this isn't any different than Zwan or Billy's solo career.

Effloresce · 07-03-2007, 11:00 AM

MTV died in 1996

Corgan Rules · 07-03-2007, 11:08 AM

The media people are just assholes to Billy for nothing. It's too bad that they have such personal feelings for him...they don't know him! Billy gets way more heat than other bands/musicians and its a bunch of crap too! They don't like Billy but like Britney Spears and others?? Wow! Losers!

JRiordan · 07-03-2007, 11:10 AM

this is more like someone's sweet blog than an "article"

SpFission · 07-03-2007, 11:11 AM

That was the worst article ever written.

GeekUSA86 · 07-03-2007, 11:11 AM

Yeah, the way the media treats Billy really pisses me off and people who don't know any better might believe the things being said about him which makes it even worse. Also, I like how the guy says the songs are awesome but then feels like he has to bash the lineup, if the songs are awesome that should be the end of the article, no need to go on.

ChrisChiasson · 07-03-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Effloresce

MTV died in 1996

mtv is just as valid or invalid as nme and pitchfork, imo

redchandelier · 07-03-2007, 11:14 AM

psshh... MTV? that's the real joke here, like I can take anything MTV says about anything seriously. Do they even know what music is anymore? what a dumb question, of course they don't.

GeekUSA86 · 07-03-2007, 11:15 AM

I really doubt that anybody in the media who is bashing the lineup for just being BC and JC has seen or heard any of the shows so far, if they had they would realize that SP sounds just as good as ever. However, they like to be lazy and use crappy arguments to attack Billy.

ratking17 · 07-03-2007, 11:18 AM

I actually liked the article

CortezTheKiller · 07-03-2007, 11:20 AM

Looks like the general music media is going to rip the new Pumpkins & Billy Corgan to shreds no matter what - get use to it.

The only way foward for Billy to make the Pumpkins big again would be to explain some of his actions even if they are obvious (like the piss-take video) or churn out a mega-successful single (Bring the Light?). Maybe if was more upfront with what he was thinking then the casual fans (the ones who buy most of the records) wouldn't let the negative media coverage dictate if they buy the record.......I think most hardcore fans understand he's much more easy going this time around. Not the Joe public though, and the mags are going to feast on this, calling him a wannabe messiah etc.

My predition: only 150,000 - 175,000 records sold in the first week in the USA.

Duke · 07-03-2007, 11:23 AM

"The video terrifically masks and covers the lack of original Pumpkins members actually in this incarnation — with quick cuts, crazy effects and a parade of generic people — Billy's successfully pulled the wool over the public's eyes. Is this new album and incarnation of the band a metaphor for our government or what?" — Christopher "CJ" Smith (token young indie guy), segment producer, MTV News

This is a good point right here. Billy has pulled the wool over the public's eyes. I was expecting a major backlash when people finally realized that James and Darcy weren't involved and that hasn't happened. This could be a metaphor for our government.

GeekUSA86 · 07-03-2007, 11:24 AM

I agree, Billy really needs to explain things because the negative media will just continue to be all over him.

MisterSquishyHalo · 07-03-2007, 11:40 AM

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Perhaps the Smashing Pumpkins have always been Corgan's solo project — if that's the case, it's way better than James Iha's solo project.

http://otto.forotech.com/runaway.gif

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if there is a llama · 07-03-2007, 11:47 AM

I liked the article. The author liked the video in all it's cheese-tastic glory, even if the other people he asked didn't.

I also liked the last line:

"Questions? Concerns? Iha? Drop me a line at BTTS@MTVStaff.com."

Endar · 07-03-2007, 11:57 AM

HOLY SHIT, BILLY JUST SHOT LASERS OUT OF HIS EYES!!!!!

tstats · 07-03-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekUSA86

I agree, Billy really needs to explain things because the negative media will just continue to be all over him.

i actually think that might make things worse

GeekUSA86 · 07-03-2007, 01:12 PM

True, he could make things worse if he goes about it the wrong way. He just needs to not come off as being arrogant and egotistical like people believe he is.

Virex Kills · 07-03-2007, 01:21 PM

I was JUST about to quote the James Iha line. Priceless.

i_adore_adore · 07-03-2007, 01:22 PM

the article isn't the worst I've read, but... I'm sick of journalists.

Deadeyes · 07-03-2007, 01:24 PM

This is going to be what the average person who knows a bit about the Pumpkins thinks of the video and song. It's not the easiest song to interpret, and it seems fake and hardly meaningful at all. But I think that's the whole point to some degree, it's just fun because it's like a cop out on actually using one of the better songs on this album to broadcast a return. At it's depth im pretty sure this song is probably the most meaningless song Billy Corgan has ever wrote, it's simply a were back and it don't matter what skin it's in we just want to have some fun/rock again. Which this song does really, and some people may be taken in by its light heartedness completely unaware. I applaud Billy but shake my head at the same time.

Eem · 07-03-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadeyes

This is going to be what the average person who knows a bit about the Pumpkins thinks of the video and song. It's not the easiest song to interpret, and it seems fake and hardly meaningful at all. But I think that's the whole point to some degree, it's just fun because it's like a cop out on actually using one of the better songs on this album to broadcast a return. At it's depth im pretty sure this song is probably the most meaningless song Billy Corgan has ever wrote, it's simply a were back and it don't matter what skin it's in we just want to have some fun/rock again. Which this song does really, and some people may be taken in by its light heartedness completely unaware. I applaud Billy but shake my head at the same time.

Actually, when I listened to Tarantula today after reading the real lyrics, I think it could be a not-so-subtle shout out to his former band members. And not in a negative way, just kind of a "Look, I'm back. Wish you could be here."

Nimrod's Son · 07-03-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekUSA86

And I love how he says that Jimmy played drums on all of TFE when trying to prove that this isn't any different than Zwan or Billy's solo career.

.. but it's not any different

Dogfighter28 · 07-03-2007, 01:47 PM

I sent an email.

"Jimmy did not play drums on TheFutureEmbrace. Well, he guested on the track "DIA", but the rest of them were electronically done. Are you that much of a moron to believe those are organic drums, or did you not even listen to the record? "

response (took about 1 minute. these guys have no life, just like me)

"wait, so he guested on one track ... and did he play drums on that track?
because, if so, i think that qualifies as "playing drums on 'thefutureembrace' then."

What a jackass.

GeekUSA86 · 07-03-2007, 01:49 PM

Yeah, he's a jackass.

Nimrod's Son · 07-03-2007, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogfighter28

I sent an email.

"Jimmy did not play drums on TheFutureEmbrace. Well, he guested on the track "DIA", but the rest of them were electronically done. Are you that much of a moron to believe those are organic drums, or did you not even listen to the record? "

response (took about 1 minute. these guys have no life, just like me)

"wait, so he guested on one track ... and did he play drums on that track?
because, if so, i think that qualifies as "playing drums on 'thefutureembrace' then."

What a jackass.

He's 100% right

Dogfighter28 · 07-03-2007, 01:50 PM

His article implies that TFE and Zeitgeist are the same project because Jimmy had an equal influence. Don't be a punk.

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07-03-2007, 10:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Martyr m o n o c h r o m e Location: Dublin Posts: 2,356	don't read it....

07-03-2007, 10:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
GeekUSA86 Pledge Location: Northern VA, Virginia Tech Posts: 60	And I love how he says that Jimmy played drums on all of TFE when trying to prove that this isn't any different than Zwan or Billy's solo career.

07-03-2007, 11:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
Effloresce Banned Posts: 5,022	MTV died in 1996

07-03-2007, 11:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Corgan Rules Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,019	The media people are just assholes to Billy for nothing. It's too bad that they have such personal feelings for him...they don't know him! Billy gets way more heat than other bands/musicians and its a bunch of crap too! They don't like Billy but like Britney Spears and others?? Wow! Losers!

07-03-2007, 11:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
JRiordan Apocalyptic Poster Location: Chicago Posts: 2,860	this is more like someone's sweet blog than an "article"

07-03-2007, 11:11 AM	#8 (permalink)
SpFission Apocalyptic Poster Location: MA Posts: 2,735	That was the worst article ever written.

07-03-2007, 11:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
GeekUSA86 Pledge Location: Northern VA, Virginia Tech Posts: 60	Yeah, the way the media treats Billy really pisses me off and people who don't know any better might believe the things being said about him which makes it even worse. Also, I like how the guy says the songs are awesome but then feels like he has to bash the lineup, if the songs are awesome that should be the end of the article, no need to go on.

07-03-2007, 11:14 AM	#11 (permalink)
redchandelier Ownz Posts: 880	psshh... MTV? that's the real joke here, like I can take anything MTV says about anything seriously. Do they even know what music is anymore? what a dumb question, of course they don't.

07-03-2007, 11:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
GeekUSA86 Pledge Location: Northern VA, Virginia Tech Posts: 60	I really doubt that anybody in the media who is bashing the lineup for just being BC and JC has seen or heard any of the shows so far, if they had they would realize that SP sounds just as good as ever. However, they like to be lazy and use crappy arguments to attack Billy.

07-03-2007, 11:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
ratking17 Ownz Location: York, PA Posts: 727	I actually liked the article

07-03-2007, 11:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
CortezTheKiller Oblivious Virgin Location: Hamilton, New Zealand Posts: 48	Looks like the general music media is going to rip the new Pumpkins & Billy Corgan to shreds no matter what - get use to it. The only way foward for Billy to make the Pumpkins big again would be to explain some of his actions even if they are obvious (like the piss-take video) or churn out a mega-successful single (Bring the Light?). Maybe if was more upfront with what he was thinking then the casual fans (the ones who buy most of the records) wouldn't let the negative media coverage dictate if they buy the record.......I think most hardcore fans understand he's much more easy going this time around. Not the Joe public though, and the mags are going to feast on this, calling him a wannabe messiah etc. My predition: only 150,000 - 175,000 records sold in the first week in the USA.

07-03-2007, 11:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
Duke Pledge Location: New York City Posts: 246	"The video terrifically masks and covers the lack of original Pumpkins members actually in this incarnation — with quick cuts, crazy effects and a parade of generic people — Billy's successfully pulled the wool over the public's eyes. Is this new album and incarnation of the band a metaphor for our government or what?" — Christopher "CJ" Smith (token young indie guy), segment producer, MTV News This is a good point right here. Billy has pulled the wool over the public's eyes. I was expecting a major backlash when people finally realized that James and Darcy weren't involved and that hasn't happened. This could be a metaphor for our government.

07-03-2007, 11:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
GeekUSA86 Pledge Location: Northern VA, Virginia Tech Posts: 60	I agree, Billy really needs to explain things because the negative media will just continue to be all over him.

07-03-2007, 11:47 AM	#18 (permalink)
if there is a llama Demi-God Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 437	I liked the article. The author liked the video in all it's cheese-tastic glory, even if the other people he asked didn't. I also liked the last line: "Questions? Concerns? Iha? Drop me a line at BTTS@MTVStaff.com."

07-03-2007, 11:57 AM	#19 (permalink)
Endar Demi-God Posts: 319	HOLY SHIT, BILLY JUST SHOT LASERS OUT OF HIS EYES!!!!!

07-03-2007, 01:12 PM	#21 (permalink)
GeekUSA86 Pledge Location: Northern VA, Virginia Tech Posts: 60	True, he could make things worse if he goes about it the wrong way. He just needs to not come off as being arrogant and egotistical like people believe he is.

07-03-2007, 01:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
Virex Kills Apocalyptic Poster Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,049	I was JUST about to quote the James Iha line. Priceless.

07-03-2007, 01:22 PM	#23 (permalink)
i_adore_adore Apocalyptic Poster Location: IL Posts: 3,586	the article isn't the worst I've read, but... I'm sick of journalists.

07-03-2007, 01:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
Deadeyes Apocalyptic Poster Location: Robot Factory Posts: 1,499	This is going to be what the average person who knows a bit about the Pumpkins thinks of the video and song. It's not the easiest song to interpret, and it seems fake and hardly meaningful at all. But I think that's the whole point to some degree, it's just fun because it's like a cop out on actually using one of the better songs on this album to broadcast a return. At it's depth im pretty sure this song is probably the most meaningless song Billy Corgan has ever wrote, it's simply a were back and it don't matter what skin it's in we just want to have some fun/rock again. Which this song does really, and some people may be taken in by its light heartedness completely unaware. I applaud Billy but shake my head at the same time.

07-03-2007, 01:47 PM	#27 (permalink)
Dogfighter28 P4k Reader Baron Burns Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 5,794	I sent an email. "Jimmy did not play drums on TheFutureEmbrace. Well, he guested on the track "DIA", but the rest of them were electronically done. Are you that much of a moron to believe those are organic drums, or did you not even listen to the record? " response (took about 1 minute. these guys have no life, just like me) "wait, so he guested on one track ... and did he play drums on that track? because, if so, i think that qualifies as "playing drums on 'thefutureembrace' then." What a jackass.

07-03-2007, 01:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
GeekUSA86 Pledge Location: Northern VA, Virginia Tech Posts: 60	Yeah, he's a jackass.

07-03-2007, 01:50 PM	#30 (permalink)
Dogfighter28 P4k Reader Baron Burns Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 5,794	His article implies that TFE and Zeitgeist are the same project because Jimmy had an equal influence. Don't be a punk.