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04-30-2007, 02:44 AM
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Bad Wolf
 
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Frantic Ab Groove
Frantic Ab Groove from Billy's home demos absolutely shreds...with the 70's throwback drum machine backing it...it sounds like jewel's new stuff with glass candy...it's a total heavy raver...and then thinking about roy thomas baker helping with zeitgeist...he worked with the cars which is amazing...and then i started thinking about how much bolly lerves that cheap trick style...so
My official vote (dare I say opinion) or wish is that the guitars on Zeitgeist are more in the style of this...very modern but embracing some of the cliche forms of the past...(perhaps touring with some indie vets was not in vain)... also i'm seeing songs like TOASE and GEEK USA fit into this style as well, especially vocally or in terms of the song-writing itself... what other songs (they don't have to be strictly instrumentals) are like this song - FRANTIC Ab GROOVE? right now i'm thinking of the black rider from 666... p.s. i'm just sitting here painting thinking how artsy my life is... |
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04-30-2007, 02:50 AM
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Fall In Hate With Me
 
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 that would be awesome. though i wouldn't get too tied up with the geekusa or toase comparisons. those were probably flimsy comparisons made by non-SP fans. and besides SP is still way too inherently progressive to ever truly go backwards, imo. but it would definitely be awesome if they started with some of the stuff you mentioned as a basis for new ideas. |
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04-30-2007, 02:54 AM
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Bad Wolf
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thanks, boss...at first i didn't buy into the geek/tales comparisons myself...but i think in terms of points of reference they do just fine...geek and tales both being progressive dynamic fast numbers (regardless of the length)...
crap i just realized we both used the word progressive... so...yea...can't beat the attitude Last edited by slunken : 04-30-2007 at 03:13 AM. |
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04-30-2007, 03:54 AM
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Bad Wolf
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yea i've just spent the past hour scanning the rspaa and i think the heart of the matter is in those MCIS instrumentals / instra-metal where he let his guitar do the talking...pure attitude...so hopefully that will be the result of him working solely with jimmy...jam sessions...and i think the shorter track lengths point to this...
like dice says "yr in, yr out, yr sleeping"...crush 'em to dust. |
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04-30-2007, 04:05 AM
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Bad Wolf
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give or take a year or so...it was around then...the attitude they're now trying to convey is very zero single...stripped down guitars n' drums...like "i'm all jungle-drummed out"...but i'm not ignoring the fact that he's 40... i just want that guitar sound...hell if nick cave can do it...
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04-30-2007, 04:10 AM
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Bad Wolf
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one more thing...these instrumentals are mostly unused material of billy and jimmy shredding...so i think the songs are a safe jumping off point of how b+j tend to work together...regardless of the fact that they're more than 10 years old...
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04-30-2007, 04:12 AM
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Bad Wolf
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"to imply that it has any connection to X.Y.U. is complete bullshit, like calling Autumn Nocturne a 1979 demo."
true, but you never know...it's weird how ideas turn into other ideas and different things get thrown out and turned into something else... but yea...fuck a bootleg |
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04-30-2007, 08:30 AM
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04-30-2007, 01:19 PM
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04-30-2007, 08:26 PM
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corgan rock vocals were at his prime during this era too. but they said they're producing the vox different this time whatever that means. so yeah. cheers to cyber metal's hopeful return. |
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04-30-2007, 08:34 PM
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Bad Wolf
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Yay!
although i wouldn't necessarily say his rock vocals were at their prime (they were) but it has more to do with the underlying ATTITUDE (how many times do I have to type this word - i'm just gonna make it it's own abbreviation)... i don't want the vocals to sound like that I want them to feel like that...very edgy, social commentary type stuff...a la marquis in spades and mouths of babes (which i think is the big argument right now about zeitgeist lyrics)... so if zeitgeist DOES go down the finger-wagging lane...well...hopefully i'll be jungle-drummed out... |
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04-30-2007, 08:52 PM
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Bad Wolf
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hahaha...sad to say but that M.F. taught me how to play guitar...
i remember being 15 and trying to nail the solo for here is no why... but yea, there is something about these "groovers" (that's what I call them - the throwback songs)...that really gets me pumped about 1. the power of the guitar and 2. the future of the smashing pumpkins |
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04-30-2007, 09:07 PM
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pumpkins were totally my inspiration for guitar. i told my self when i was in elementry school if i could play hummer i would be satified. then i said if i could play all of mcis i'd be statified. i think pumpkin riffs are still my favorite to belt out as far as cathartic tunes go. but im in love with that band. and it helps that they were prolific.
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