Melissa is more Pumpkins than D'arcy. Discuss

Phoenix Down · 04-26-2006, 08:52 PM

I don't wanna make a big thing out of this, but I just realised that I really, really don't wanna have D'arcy in SP2. I mean c'mon, she has'nt been giving a shit about SP in years, whereas Melissa has always been so enthusiastic about SP...as if she has never been in Hole. Just listen to the way she talks about SP...she sounds like a little fan girl, like one of us really. If Melissa is in the band, i know that we´ll have a 100 % committed, motivated member, who will do literally everything to make it work.
I know D'arcy was important to SP, but I think Melissa fell in love with SP for the same reasons (and same records) as most of us....so ironically she might be capturing that spirit a lot better. she's dedicated.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Esty · 04-26-2006, 08:55 PM

I think you are a stupid piece of shit. However, I have no problem with Melissa being part of SP. MADM, Bill, and Jimms is good enough for me.

shannon · 04-26-2006, 09:01 PM

I think for "sentimental" reasons it would be nice to have D'arcy back, but all in all, i think Melissa definetly rocked harder than D'arcy

They both seemed happy to be in the band, but I think there was just too much drama between the original band members and it had an adverse effect on their public "relationship", which is why D'arcy comes across as not being as "loyal". With Melissa however, it was like a fresh start for her/the pumpkins. She wasnt around when all of the bullshit was going down, so it makes it easy for her to be enthusiastic...

Imaskingforit! · 04-26-2006, 09:04 PM

esty clever as always

Phoenix Down · 04-26-2006, 09:06 PM

what did he say? I have him on ignore. Did he finally say something clever and actually contribute? I'm curious

wHATcOLOR · 04-26-2006, 09:07 PM

i don't believe there's a chance in hell d'arcy would come back, so i guess it's mostly moot anyhow.

but i really can't see melissa telling bill that certain ideas suck and to try something else. a lot of people would agree that saying exactly that was one of the main sources of d'arcy's value to the band, mostly because bill said as much in interviews.

Esty · 04-26-2006, 09:13 PM

I think its stupid to say one person has more "loyalty" to a SUCCESSFUL band then someone who struggled with it and made it what it was. If Darcy doesn't want to be back in, then I assume she has her good reasons. Its just plain stupid to compare the two. Besides, we all know bill doesn't care to offer her an invitation. More money for him.

Go fuck yourself phoenix you chickenshit.

Esty · 04-26-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Down

what did he say? I have him on ignore. Did he finally say something clever and actually contribute? I'm curious

One of the only reasons for me to become mod of the sp board so that they can't put me on ignore. What would he and davin do then?

Phoenix Down · 04-26-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by big white horse hung

i don't believe there's a chance in hell d'arcy would come back, so i guess it's mostly moot anyhow.

but i really can't see melissa telling bill that certain ideas suck and to try something else. a lot of people would agree that saying exactly that was one of the main sources of d'arcy's value to the band, mostly because bill said as much in interviews.

good point!

Phoenix Down · 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Esty

I think its stupid to say one person has more "loyalty" to a SUCCESSFUL band then someone who struggled with it and made it what it was. If Darcy doesn't want to be back in, then I assume she has her good reasons. Its just plain stupid to compare the two. Besides, we all know bill doesn't care to offer her an invitation. More money for him.

Go fuck yourself phoenix you chickenshit.

lol...you're fucking stupid if you think that's a money issue. if you had any clue at all about how the music industry works you'd know that you only get money for writing / composing credits which d'arcy doen't have anyway. so d'arcy would get the same money as melissa...that is as a paid band member who earns for performance.
you're the stupid piece of chickenshit

shannon · 04-26-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Esty

I think its stupid to say one person has more "loyalty" to a SUCCESSFUL band then someone who struggled with it and made it what it was. If Darcy doesn't want to be back in, then I assume she has her good reasons. Its just plain stupid to compare the two. Besides, we all know bill doesn't care to offer her an invitation. More money for him.

Go fuck yourself phoenix you chickenshit.

I think more or less what he is trying to say is that Melissa seems like she just loves making music with the pumpkins, whereas D'arcy was just kind of "there" for a while...I agree, that if she really wanted to be back in (regardless of if Billy would "take her back"), she would have made an attempt a long time ago, thats why i dont think anyone really expects it to happen. I guess it isnt a matter of "loyalty", its just more or less the difference between the amount of effort and heart they put into it.

Floppy Nono · 04-26-2006, 09:21 PM

i think melissa is indeed more pumpkins then d'arcy because there are more letters from melissas name found in "smashing pumpkins" then in d'arcys....thats LOGIC right there kids

Phoenix Down · 04-26-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ShannonH2222

I think more or less what he is trying to say is that Melissa seems like she just loves making music with the pumpkins, whereas D'arcy was just kind of "there" for a while...I agree, that if she really wanted to be back in (regardless of if Billy would "take her back"), she would have made an attempt a long time ago, thats why i dont think anyone really expects it to happen. I guess it isnt a matter of "loyalty", its just more or less the difference between the amount of effort and heart they put into it.

yes yes, you understand me : )

zwanline · 04-26-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Down

I think Melissa fell in love with SP for the same reasons (and same records) as most of us....so ironically she might be capturing that spirit a lot better. she's dedicated.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

This doesn't make sense...she's capturing D'arcy's spirit? Why not just put D'arcy back in the mix?

Floppy Nono · 04-26-2006, 09:30 PM

i think he's trying to say towards the end d'arcys view of smashing pumpkins was that it was that thing that pays for her crack where as melissa enjoys the pumpkins because she was originally a fan of them and has that fresh spirit to actually work and help them improve.

Phoenix Down · 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zwanline

This doesn't make sense...she's capturing D'arcy's spirit? Why not just put D'arcy back in the mix?

cause Melissa loves SP and D'arcy doesn't (or at least not anymore). it's as simple as that. D'arcy in SP2 would seem awkward, it would look like she's only in for the money. i would not buy into that sudden nostalgia, would you?

Esty · 04-26-2006, 09:34 PM

Melissa was energetic, but to say she has more loyalty to the pumpkins is moronic. Besides being loyal isn't always the best thing. We have many perfect examples of that on this board (davin, kahlo, phoenix, anyone else who thinks bill is perfect). All

Melissa was is happy to get away from courtney. Anyone would love the next band after dealing with love for however long she was in hole.

zwanline · 04-26-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Down

cause Melissa loves SP and D'arcy doesn't (or at least not anymore). it's as simple as that. D'arcy in SP2 would seem awkward, it would look like she's only in for the money.

I think you're drawing conclusions that just aren't there.

pale blue eyes · 04-26-2006, 09:36 PM

Melissa was a fill-in and that's pretty much it. I don't care if D'arcy is living on her farm or in a gutter somewhere, she's a Pumpkin. From how she was described in the first post, Melissa sounds more like a really, really lucky fan who happened to play bass. And that's the main problem, I'd see her just going along with whatever Billy wanted to do and not really giving him a good mental slap to the back of his head once in a while like D'arcy did.

Floppy Nono · 04-26-2006, 09:36 PM

i think she's got alot more to bring to the table then loyalty but i'd rather a redhead then a crackhead in the pumpkins

Esty · 04-26-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Down

cause Melissa loves SP and D'arcy doesn't (or at least not anymore). it's as simple as that. D'arcy in SP2 would seem awkward, it would look like she's only in for the money.

How the fuck do you know that? Just because she may not want to be in the band does not mean she doesn't love the band, or what it once was. Maybe, the band just isn't what it once was to her. It isn't for many of us and won't be again.

We all know who's in this for the cash and much needed ego boost. Its not darcy.

Floppy Nono · 04-26-2006, 09:39 PM

haha dont talk that way about jimmy

Esty · 04-26-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pale blue eyes

Melissa was a fill-in and that's pretty much it. I don't care if D'arcy is living on her farm or in a gutter somewhere, she's a Pumpkin. From how she was described in the first post, Melissa sounds more like a really, really lucky fan who happened to play bass. And that's the main problem, I'd see her just going along with whatever Billy wanted to do and not really giving him a good mental slap to the back of his head once in a while like D'arcy did.

We sure could have used her around for the "machina mysteries".

Phoenix Down · 04-26-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Esty

Melissa was energetic, but to say she has more loyalty to the pumpkins is moronic. Besides being loyal isn't always the best thing. We have many perfect examples of that on this board (davin, kahlo, phoenix, anyone else who thinks bill is perfect)

i don't think bill is perfect. i'd actually like him less if he was.

pale blue eyes · 04-26-2006, 09:40 PM

We don't even know if D'arcy is a crackhead. And, while aesthetically pleasing, just because Melissa looks good doesn't mean she's going to add anything more creatively to the band than D'arcy would.

Floppy Nono · 04-26-2006, 09:41 PM

wasn't d'arcy arrested for trying to buy crack after leaving the pumpkins?

Esty · 04-26-2006, 09:42 PM

Gimme a fucking break. Go fuck yourself and put me back on ignore you unloyal bitch.

zwanline · 04-26-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Floppy Nono

wasn't d'arcy arrested for trying to buy crack after leaving the pumpkins?

Didn't Jimmy get high with a band member who ended up dying???

pale blue eyes · 04-26-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Floppy Nono

wasn't d'arcy arrested for trying to buy crack after leaving the pumpkins?

Yep, but that was over six years ago. People change.

Floppy Nono · 04-26-2006, 09:44 PM

i think jimmy brings alot more to the new pumpkins then d'arcy ever would and she left the pumpkins of her own free will if i recall i don't see why she would want to walk back into it and the same goes for james

04-26-2006, 08:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Phoenix Down Apocalyptic Poster Location: proud member since 1999 Posts: 3,051	Melissa is more Pumpkins than D'arcy. Discuss I don't wanna make a big thing out of this, but I just realised that I really, really don't wanna have D'arcy in SP2. I mean c'mon, she has'nt been giving a shit about SP in years, whereas Melissa has always been so enthusiastic about SP...as if she has never been in Hole. Just listen to the way she talks about SP...she sounds like a little fan girl, like one of us really. If Melissa is in the band, i know that we´ll have a 100 % committed, motivated member, who will do literally everything to make it work. I know D'arcy was important to SP, but I think Melissa fell in love with SP for the same reasons (and same records) as most of us....so ironically she might be capturing that spirit a lot better. she's dedicated. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

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04-26-2006, 08:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Esty 09 Netphorian of the Year Location: Waiting in line for his geranium kiss Posts: 14,433	I think you are a stupid piece of shit. However, I have no problem with Melissa being part of SP. MADM, Bill, and Jimms is good enough for me.

04-26-2006, 09:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
shannon Nervous Assistant Location: a place where no cars go Posts: 6,769	I think for "sentimental" reasons it would be nice to have D'arcy back, but all in all, i think Melissa definetly rocked harder than D'arcy They both seemed happy to be in the band, but I think there was just too much drama between the original band members and it had an adverse effect on their public "relationship", which is why D'arcy comes across as not being as "loyal". With Melissa however, it was like a fresh start for her/the pumpkins. She wasnt around when all of the bullshit was going down, so it makes it easy for her to be enthusiastic...

04-26-2006, 09:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Imaskingforit! Pledge Location: japan Posts: 133	esty clever as always

04-26-2006, 09:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Phoenix Down Apocalyptic Poster Location: proud member since 1999 Posts: 3,051	what did he say? I have him on ignore. Did he finally say something clever and actually contribute? I'm curious

04-26-2006, 09:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
wHATcOLOR THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! Location: whip that's for stealing !! whip And that's for getting blood on my whip !!! \|\| MY NAME IS KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID ROCK!! Posts: 42,845	i don't believe there's a chance in hell d'arcy would come back, so i guess it's mostly moot anyhow. but i really can't see melissa telling bill that certain ideas suck and to try something else. a lot of people would agree that saying exactly that was one of the main sources of d'arcy's value to the band, mostly because bill said as much in interviews.

04-26-2006, 09:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Esty 09 Netphorian of the Year Location: Waiting in line for his geranium kiss Posts: 14,433	I think its stupid to say one person has more "loyalty" to a SUCCESSFUL band then someone who struggled with it and made it what it was. If Darcy doesn't want to be back in, then I assume she has her good reasons. Its just plain stupid to compare the two. Besides, we all know bill doesn't care to offer her an invitation. More money for him. Go fuck yourself phoenix you chickenshit.

04-26-2006, 09:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Floppy Nono Socialphobic Location: sandybellenissan: 10/19/2008 NEVER FORGET Posts: 12,316	i think melissa is indeed more pumpkins then d'arcy because there are more letters from melissas name found in "smashing pumpkins" then in d'arcys....thats LOGIC right there kids

04-26-2006, 09:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Floppy Nono Socialphobic Location: sandybellenissan: 10/19/2008 NEVER FORGET Posts: 12,316	i think he's trying to say towards the end d'arcys view of smashing pumpkins was that it was that thing that pays for her crack where as melissa enjoys the pumpkins because she was originally a fan of them and has that fresh spirit to actually work and help them improve.

04-26-2006, 09:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
Esty 09 Netphorian of the Year Location: Waiting in line for his geranium kiss Posts: 14,433	Melissa was energetic, but to say she has more loyalty to the pumpkins is moronic. Besides being loyal isn't always the best thing. We have many perfect examples of that on this board (davin, kahlo, phoenix, anyone else who thinks bill is perfect). All Melissa was is happy to get away from courtney. Anyone would love the next band after dealing with love for however long she was in hole.

04-26-2006, 09:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
pale blue eyes sproutsy Location: :/ Posts: 14,427	Melissa was a fill-in and that's pretty much it. I don't care if D'arcy is living on her farm or in a gutter somewhere, she's a Pumpkin. From how she was described in the first post, Melissa sounds more like a really, really lucky fan who happened to play bass. And that's the main problem, I'd see her just going along with whatever Billy wanted to do and not really giving him a good mental slap to the back of his head once in a while like D'arcy did.

04-26-2006, 09:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Floppy Nono Socialphobic Location: sandybellenissan: 10/19/2008 NEVER FORGET Posts: 12,316	i think she's got alot more to bring to the table then loyalty but i'd rather a redhead then a crackhead in the pumpkins

04-26-2006, 09:39 PM	#22 (permalink)
Floppy Nono Socialphobic Location: sandybellenissan: 10/19/2008 NEVER FORGET Posts: 12,316	haha dont talk that way about jimmy

04-26-2006, 09:40 PM	#25 (permalink)
pale blue eyes sproutsy Location: :/ Posts: 14,427	We don't even know if D'arcy is a crackhead. And, while aesthetically pleasing, just because Melissa looks good doesn't mean she's going to add anything more creatively to the band than D'arcy would.

04-26-2006, 09:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
Floppy Nono Socialphobic Location: sandybellenissan: 10/19/2008 NEVER FORGET Posts: 12,316	wasn't d'arcy arrested for trying to buy crack after leaving the pumpkins?

04-26-2006, 09:42 PM	#27 (permalink)
Esty 09 Netphorian of the Year Location: Waiting in line for his geranium kiss Posts: 14,433	Gimme a fucking break. Go fuck yourself and put me back on ignore you unloyal bitch.

04-26-2006, 09:44 PM	#30 (permalink)
Floppy Nono Socialphobic Location: sandybellenissan: 10/19/2008 NEVER FORGET Posts: 12,316	i think jimmy brings alot more to the new pumpkins then d'arcy ever would and she left the pumpkins of her own free will if i recall i don't see why she would want to walk back into it and the same goes for james