you've already been given a lot of reasons ITT. I'll wait for you to actually respond to them before giving you more

you support the violent overthrow of those controlling the means of production and you believe the revolution must be inherently violent and the upper class has to be murdered?

careful not to kick the hosnest's nest

I honestly can’t remember you guys telling me anything good about Biden. It’s all been “but but Trump is worse” while ignoring Biden is actually worse than Trump on some issues (which is a joke considering how right wing Trump is).

I am absolutely not a Marxist-Leninist (the only ML I’ve read about who I remotely liked was Thomas Sankara. I like some things about Che Guevara and Vladimir Lenin but I don’t like how authoritarian or brutal they were, especially in Lenin’s case) which you seem to be implying there. Perhaps you wouldn’t consider me a Marxist but I do strongly believe in “from each according to his ability to each according to his needs” and my political policies are similar to Salvador Allende who was called a Marxist. I do think violent revolutions are absolutely justified at times. Personally I don’t believe in killing, though, but sometimes you have to violently overthrow authoritarian regimes. That’s just reality, unless you’re suggesting Cuba should have let Batista keep slaughtering them.

Marx was unequivocal in his belief that the revolution could not happen without violence. If you identify as Marxist, you believe the revolution and violence are absolutely inextricable

It’s one of the most central tenets of Marxism.

I mean I would think someone who had ever read Marx would know he doesn’t believe in democracy and doesn’t believe Communism can ever come about any way other than literally destroying the entire system of governance and all capitalist superstructures through armed uprising

Maybe your prof isn’t so good tho

It is probably impossible to get the system in America I want without a violent revolution, yeah. However Chile was able to democratically elect Allende.

Red herring that has nothing to do with what is being said to you. Marxism does not allow for peaceful revolution yet you say you are Marxist. Answer.

I support violent revolutions in some cases, yes. Would you really be crying if people guillotined the likes of Trump, McConnell, Biden, Pelosi, etc.?

Red herring strawman. Address what I said

I did. I told you in order to get the system I want America likely needs a revolution that is at least somewhat violent. People like the ones I mentioned are actively killing the working class. They are, in fact, violent but I’m sure you ok with Biden’s violent policies killing people.

So you advocate the violent overthrow and murder of those who control the means of production and the complete annihilation of democracy and the US government?

Call me crazy but I feel like you might have read the spark notes to the c.m.

I would support some of that. A Marxist does not have to agree with all of Marx’s theories, I hope you are aware of that, but you are so ridiculously obtuse I doubt you are. Do you agree with all of the Democratic party’s beliefs? No, but you’ll still slavishly support them, thus you are a Democrat.

Which parts be specific because Marxism is not a flexible ideology. He was literally describing the inevitable end of history.

Marxism isn’t flexible and yet there are multiple different Marxist schools of thought. You are absolutely hilarious. If someone violently overthrew the US government establishment in order to install a government similar to Salvador Allende’s I would support them. I would worry about an authoritarian coming to power though, which is why I am more in favor of libertarian Marxism.

you seem more crazy every time you post

libertarian marxism LOL

are you a teenager?

Lenin would have considered voting for Bernie Sanders to be the lesser of two evils

it's well documented that he supported voting for the furthest left candidates that could win anyway

the revolutionary model is not totally incompatible with short term reform

you'd want the right conditions for revolution, or you could just as easily end up in a fascist state

I've also heard it argued that it's through the process of reform and then the bourgeois class continual walking back of that reform that the left eventually arrives at revolution, realizing they can go no further under capitalism

That's a thing, you know.

Pretty much, Marxists opposed the the idea of having a "vanguard party" that must lead the proles who are too stupid to lead themselves.

also could be said to be arguing the continuation of history

rather than capitalism being the end of history

u guys are smart

In this thread, everybody proves they did attend some classes during orientation week.

If trump wins again think he’ll make it illegal to fartfuck a dad in the face

I know what it is, hence the LOL. One of my BAs is in Philosophy

Asking for my dad

He knows jackshit about politics. But one thing he knows is about how much he loves a good fartfuck to the face

Is Libertarian Marxism any more absurd than any other subtype of Marxism?

jesus is coming!!

somebody grab a towel

First good reason to vote for Biden I’ve heard.

other than alleviating the suffering of millions of people and the possible collapse of our democracy

If you put it that way.. no.

lol

Tell me what specific things Biden is going to that will alleviate suffering. If we lived in a real democracy, Bernie would be the nominee, so it’s pretty hilarious to hear a diehard liberal shrieking about the “fall of Democracy”.

Now your eyes are open.

appoint the next 2-4 supreme court justices

You’ve been given many reasons and you refuse to answer what anyone is saying without moving the goal posts. Also I’m not a liberal, I’m just not an ideologically masturbatory imbecile

Also Bernie got less votes. And he lost far worse this year than last time. What the fuck do you think democracy is

You are an enormous liberal who the hell do you think you’re fooling? No leftist gets this upset about someone not voting for one of the two right wing candidates. I haven’t been given any reasons besides “but Trump”. You haven’t given me a single thing Biden is actually good on, you simply shriek about Trump being worse. That’s not very encouraging. And I literally posted evidence that it was rigged against Bernie but I know you ignored it because you can’t handle criticism of the Democratic Party.