You heard RBG guys. I don’t have to vote for Biden because he doesn’t need my vote, so no more vote shaming, since Biden is obviously going to win and doesn’t need progressive votes to do so.

That’s not a red herring. You can’t spend days harassing me to vote for Biden and then turn around and claim he doesn’t need my vote to win. That is the height of hypocrisy. If he doesn’t need my vote you should be fine with me voting Green.

Ad hominem when I expose your hypocrisy. Typical.

I used the most recent one Kyle Kulinski cited which was 88%. I can post the video if you like? Let me know if you want me to embed it for you but here’s a link cuz I’m lazy:

https://youtu.be/fE75mAjwdRQ

cheddar cheese on saltines is not half-bad if you're not gross about it. that looks like a kraft single th0. barf.

Strawman. Not one person has argued he will inevitably win. People argue with you because you are intellectually dishonest and illogical and seem to have no clear way to defend your moral positions other than to sidestep every point that is made, not because they believe the Bernie Bro electorate is a secret silent majority. This has been explained to you. You just only listen to respond.

Wow, look at those goalposts move! And yes it is a red herring, unless you are prepared to use recent polling data to demonstrate that Biden will benefit in states he needs to win (Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan) by endorsing a healthcare policy which is nationally less popular, especially among moderate voters from those states who stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016, than the healthcare policy he already endorses. Because that was your argument. You literally said if Biden endorsed this less popular plan, he would be more likely to win. And then in defense you said have you been looking at recent polls. So please, enlighten us.

ryan always presumes to speak for everyone all the time

That’s a lot of words to deflect from the fact that you have no way to defend your own hypocrisy in demanding I vote for Biden and then telling me he doesn’t need my vote. Until you can explain that, I fail to see why I should take you seriously, as all you do is call me a liar when I haven’t lied about anything. Giving your opinion isn’t lying. Biden is down in Michigan and tied in Minnesota. Those are terrible signs. I’m not sure why you think Biden needs to court moderates when that strategy worked terribly for Hillary and I would wager that almost all moderates are already supporting Biden. Progressives are the ones who are hesitant to support him, which is why he should be supporting policies that bring them on board. If you have a voting bloc that might go for you and swing the election in your favor, you should go for it. The moderates aren’t going to suddenly vote for Trump if he supports Medicare for all, but that would get many progressives to suck it up and vote for him, which likely tips the election in his favor. As it stands today, it looks like Trump will win again, so if Biden is serious about winning, he should adopt a more progressive platform.

He is always doing this and then accusing me of making claims without evidence, while failing to see the irony. I literally can’t take him seriously after he just spent almost a week demanding I vote for Biden and then told me Biden doesn’t need my vote. He does nothing but attack me because he knows damn well he can’t defend Biden and that makes him angry. He’d rather whine about “Bernie Bros” than consider why Biden is on pace to lose.

Your poll numbers are totally wrong, so that’s either a lie or a cherry picked fact. Biden is up 6.5 in Michigan and 6 in Minnesota. Try again.

https://twitter.com/mmflint/status/1...921822720?s=21


https://t.co/nytLwSUHaW

I was basing it off stuff MM was saying. Perhaps he’s wrong about Trump repeating but I doubt it. I guess Biden is still up in Michigan polls though.

in order to make himself feel better about happily voting for the "lesser of two evils", ryan needs to pretend biden is worth voting for in any respect besides not being donald trump. and he's going to yell at anyone who reminds me of the truth that biden perpetuates white supremacy, too, but tactfully. ryan's life is never too bad regardless of who is in office and he knows what "minorities" need.

6.5 lead in Michigan
4.9 lead in Minnesota
4.8 lead in Pennsylvania
6.3 lead in Wisconsin
4.3 lead in Florida

Lmfao

And Trump is leading in Ohio, Montana, Texas, and N.C.

They're neck and neck in most states and too many people are voting for Biden because he isn't Trump, which means he could easily lose votes by adhering to the same old 'absence of tension' status quo you seem to love so much.

What point is ry-ry trying to prove? Does he even know?

Dude that is all? After trump just endorsed the kid who went to kenosha to kill black people

Gosh we are fucked huh

Gosh that is all? Isn’t the margin of error usually like 4%

We are gosh dang fucked for sure

<*o*>

Is that a 4 more years signal?

andrew yang would have brought this home easily and been infinitely better than biden. stupid dnc and their ulterior and transparent motives.

I think he is voting for Biden now

My mistake.

“Kyle won’t praise Biden enough so he’s bad”

I suspect this is true. He’s never addressed my point of how people in the Middle East could potentially suffer MORE under Biden (and they’re certainly already suffering under Trump). He claims he’s given me reasons to vote for Biden, but they’ve all been some variation of “Trump is worse”.

I really wouldn’t be arrogant about this if I were you.

It takes a big man. Good on you.

I think the audience he's cultivated is p bad

protectionism and class reductionism is like straw house leftism

really susceptible to a fashy wind

It’s very funny that you’ve spent days attacking me and acting immature because you can’t think of a good reason to vote for Biden besides him not being Trump. This entire thread has been you lashing out at me for your own failures.

How?

Red herring. You made false claims and got checked. Now you’re trying to move the goalposts again.

I’ve actually admitted when I was wrong, but you have yet to address the insanity of your claiming Biden doesn’t need my vote after spending the entire thread insisting he did. I expect another “red herring” or personal attack while you refuse to acknowledge your hypocrisy or explain why I should vote for Biden without mentioning Trump.

You are addressing two separate points here. The first is a straw man. I never said Biden needs your vote, and you know that. Quite the opposite, I’ve told you at least a dozen times now progressives who won’t vote for Biden are a very small minority and you amplify yourselves in insular spaces online. Biden needs the suburbanites who stayed home in PA WI MI MN in 2016 to win.

The second point, why you should vote for Biden, is that the morally correct path is to keep the greater evil out. Since you haven’t responded seriously to anyone’s questions about how Trump winning again will alleviate more suffering in the long run other than pure conjecture, there’s not much else I can say. You just don’t really adhere to utilitarianism and aren’t willing to answer questions about the judiciary and the erosion of government institutions and how that could be magically healed in 2024, there’s really nothing logical I can say to you. Nothing will change your mind.

And lastly, if you have admitted when you are wrong, recant your asinine claim that advocating universal healthcare will help Biden electorally.

You keep whining about the judiciary when McConnell established a precedent of being able to block Supreme Court Nominees in a President’s second term. What’s stopping Pelosi and/or Schumer from doing that, especially if Dems take the Senate? You are acting as if he needs my vote, or else you would not be angry at me for stating I’m voting Green. If my vote is irrelevant to Biden’s chances of winning, you can’t possibly argue it’s immoral for me not to vote for him. Stop being inconsistent. Do you really fail to see that decades of people making the arguments about voting for a “lesser evil” have lead us to an election in which the two main candidates are right wing racist authoritarians? I don’t think you realize how bad Biden and Harris are on crime or war either. Like Y S E M said, you are not thinking about the massive suffering that will happen under Biden and Harris. I’m not recanting that claim, because it’s not asinine. M4A is a progressive policy. Biden is struggling with progressives. Biden would do much better with progressives if he supported that policy. How is any of that wrong? Stop acting like Trump is some unique evil and not the natural conclusion of every president since Carter.

praising nationalism (he supported elements of Trump's Trade War) and downplaying social issues (he has attacked "SJWs") bolsters a kind of white identity politics

all you need is someone to come along and say "well you know immigration lowers wages for unskilled Americans..."

now you've got a bunch of Nazbols

So again you won’t answer anything that is being said to you. I’m done tutoring you at the writing center. Go ahead and take the C-. Welcome to my ignore list. You and the other most obnoxious disingenuous dumbshit here, your new buddy N-word-Loren will be very happy there together

Being in favor of protectionism and thinking a hyper focus on social issues distracts from more important economic issues are hardly uncommon positions for leftists.