Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556802)

One of my queer friends in the DC area moved to Iceland a month ago. She was lucky to have dual citizenship in the UK, which made it easier for her to leave this country.

My sister is moving to Vancouver at the end of the week. She was lucky to have found a job and to get help with work permit from her employer.

Originally Posted by buzzard (Post 4556787)

Wow, Squish. You sure are good at only seeing what you want to see.

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556807)

i got a ? would anyone tell tara reade (or any woman who simply refuses to vote for a sexual predator ) to quit belly-achin' and pick the less evil of the men who both represent the person who harmed her? what would you say to women for whom it would be traumatic to vote for either one? they get a pass from you or what? oh arbiters of voting

Originally Posted by redbreegull (Post 4556792)

Not on policy goals we aren't. Like I already said, you aren't even further left than half the people who post in this community. If being progressive to you means being an intransigent child who has no understanding of utilitarianism and the greater good, then I guess I concede you are more left wing than any of us. If it means our policy goals and attachment to the most efficacious way to get close to them, then you are far closer to fuzzyroes than... basically all of us.





I am also cautiously hopeful. Trump is going into this election with the biggest disadvantage of any incumbent in history since the advent of modern polling. I don't really care for the punditry and prognostication anymore... as people who think like this are basically magical thinkers and have been wrong so many times in the past... all I care about are the numbers, and the numbers show Trump as a contender, but one in a historically difficult position. The idea that Trump is ironclad and is a shoe-in and that we "haven't learned the lessons of 2016," is straight-up magical thinking. It's applying a non-scientific and emotionally driven lens to the election. People don't want to be embarassed again after the media shoved the Hillary has a 99% chance of winning narrative down everyone's throats and they didn't listen to Nate Silver who said Trump had a very real path to victory etc etc., but that's more about ego than what is actually happening.



Seriously. I don't love the Democratic establishment and I don't love centrism, but the idea that shit was "rigged" against Sanders, which elicits an idea of blatantly faking votes, is patently false. The Democrats did move against Sanders and pull some shitty moves on him in 2016, but at the end of the day they ironically did it unnecessarily. Sanders received THREE MILLION less votes. In 2020, Sanders performed far more poorly, receiving NINE MILLION less votes than Biden, and losing a bunch of states Sanders carried four years ago.

Politico – 2016 vs. 2020 State By State

Wikipedia – Results of 2020 Democratic Primary

Wikipedia – Results of the 2016 Democratic Primary



So your hunch, which you aped from facebook meme groups and Sanders staffers, is worth putting millions of people's lives and rights in jeopardy, losing the judiciary for 40 years, and the possible collapse of the US as a democracy. Cool, you seem smart and empathetic. The morally correct path is to keep the greater evil out and reduce suffering you dumb dick. Your punditry is 100% bullshit you've clearly just taken from other people.



People like you are a small minority who amplify yourselves on the internet. You have no fucking clue how to speak to people who don't think and talk exactly like yourself. You don't have the keys to the kingdom, and a lot of your dumbass facebook buds will click like on a Bernie Sanders group but don't fucking show up to vote.



I never blamed it on Bernie, but cool lie. Sanders staying in so long was only one small factor in a perfect storm of factors that let Trump stumble into the presidency in 2016. The idea you have that it can be magically boiled down to one factor (establishment candidates can't win) is beyond stupid and without any evidence. In 2018, Democrats swept across the spectrum. Progressives did exceedingly well. Moderates did exceedingly well. Blue dogs did exceedingly well. You just don't understand the political climate at all, which is why you don't understand why people gravitated to Biden and believe this outright falsehood that the Democrats "rigged" the primary against Sanders even though he received SIX MILLION less votes this cycle than in 2016.




ninsp is the second worst poster on this board right now, and even he knows Trump is an existential threat to the US.



I don't think it's beyond the realm of imagination that someone like Sanders could win the presidency if everything lined up perfectly for them. But we've only ever had one quasi-socialist and it certainly does not seem like the mood of the country right now to elect one. What we saw in 2020 vs. 2016 was people reach out for a safer choice. Biden was sort of the shortest distance everyone in the tent had to travel to meet at one point, and that is why he won. People want Trump out, and that is the lead animus of the Democratic party right now.



squish squash, he is literally saying the opposite of you



because your position is idiotic and your links are nonsense and everyone thinks you are being really immature and obnoxious. your speculation is not worth people's lives. grow up you fucking baby

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556828)

Almost all the women I know have been assaulted at some point in their lives, including me.
Everyone I now consider a friend or family is voting for Biden.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556832)

I am not including myself in this as I have no sexual trauma and am not a woman.

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556828)

Almost all the women I know have been assaulted at some point in their lives, including me.
Everyone I now consider a friend or family is voting for Biden.

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556875)

you've only identified as a woman for a ~year yet speak as if you have a lifetime of experience being oppressed as one. furthermore, you speak as if you know MORE about women actually go through than other women who don't have your privileges that you had then and now

Originally Posted by redbreegull (Post 4556880)

I had no idea jk rowling posts here

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556875)

you've only identified as a woman for a ~year yet speak as if you have a lifetime of experience being oppressed as one. furthermore, you speak as if you know MORE about women actually go through than other women who don't have your privileges that you had then and now

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556885)

Um...what? Y S E M didn’t saw MOAO isn’t a woman, which is what Rowling would argue.

Originally Posted by Eulogy (Post 4556892)

Arguing that a trans woman is privileged now is... pretty TERF—y.

Whether or not she gained from male privilege in the past doesn’t seem super relevant to me? But I guess you can make half of that argument if you personally dislike the person you’re criticizing. Doesn’t seem very helpful though.

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556875)

you've only identified as a woman for a ~year yet speak as if you have a lifetime of experience being oppressed as one. furthermore, you speak as if you know MORE about women actually go through than other women who don't have your privileges that you had then and now

Originally Posted by ninsp (Post 4556891)

Lol you’re a TERF too ahahahahahaha

A trans woman has always been a woman dipshit

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556949)

:erm:

The JK Rowling of Netphoria

You have no idea what my experiences have been (and I don't know yours). I have 20k+ posts you can criticize and disagree with, but you have to question my gender.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556832)

I am very sorry that happened to you, but you do understand why some people are unwilling to vote for Biden based on this, yes? I am not including myself in this as I have no sexual trauma and am not a woman.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556966)

Playing devil’s advocate here, I wouldn’t call Y S E M a Terf for her comment. She never said MOAO isn’t a woman (a TERF would say this), I think Y S E M meant that her experience was different than someone assigned female at birth, which is true.

Originally Posted by LaBelle (Post 4556970)

Devils don't need no advocates

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556967)

well, as a woman of color, it sure is insulting to see a person who grew up with white privilege suddenly start using words like solidarity and pretending to be political and then equating their experiences to mine and people who like me and then have the gall to call me a "fascist" and other hallow names for saying hey wait a fucking minute

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556981)

Then why are you all advocating for Joe Biden?

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556966)

Playing devil’s advocate here, I wouldn’t call Y S E M a Terf for her comment. She never said MOAO isn’t a woman (a TERF would say this), I think Y S E M meant that her experience was different than someone assigned female at birth, which is true.

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556974)

then why you trying to speak for me, dumbo?!

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556993)

that's the same thing.

saying "you can't have valid opinions about women because you're not a full woman (for whatever reason)" is the same thing.

Like i said, call me a Karen or whatever for being white. But my gender is not the issue. She consistently uses my gender identity to attack me. It's not acceptable.