Because in theory? What theory? You are literally pulling this out of your ass. I asked you to provide historical precedent for a right wing fascistic takeover being followed by a progressive wave and you said Hoover to FDR, I called you on the asinine nature of this claim, and then you blatantly lied and said “I didn’t say that.“

You literally over a dozen plus pages have not been able to explain why you think this.

^ this is the first post on page 12.

you are lying, redbull!

Can you really not understand why, as more young people come of age, and as neoliberals continue to lose, people would gravitate towards AOC? Stop calling Trump a fascist you do not know what that word means. If he was a fascist you wouldn’t be telling me to vote because it would be pointless.

Again no evidence, pulling shit out of your ass. Less people voted for leftists this time. Why would it change after 4 more years of Trump destroying the government? Also Hitler was elected you dumb douche. Fascism has nothing to do with how one comes to power. For a college kid, you don’t remember much from college.

What policies are those? Can we stop pretending he has good policies? Because he’s already walked back on expanding Obamacare and fossil fuel stuff and he is pro-fracking. Trump has actually signed legislation that legitimately helped black people (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_Act) despite being literally Hitler according to RBG. Stop telling me I want Trump to win. I don’t. I detest the man and policies. I would only want him to win if it was guaranteed him winning would lead to actual change, but I am not certain. I just think there’s a much better change for change if he wins than there is if Biden wins and people like RBG pretend everything is perfect while people die because they can’t afford their hospital bills and Biden bombs the shit out of the Middle East.

>Bernie was a left wing populist
>Bernie dominated with young voters (do I really need to provide evidence of this? I will if you insist but I feel like you should know this by now)
>There will be more young voters in 2024 (People get older)
>AOC is more willing to work with the establishment than Bernie. This is not a good thing, but she might be able to convince them not to sabotage her in the primary.
>Let me know what Trump has done to be compared to Hitler. He’s much closer to Biden than he is to Hitler.

I already gave you evidence showing it was rigged against Bernie but you keep repeating your tired talking point of him “losing support”. It is likely they will try to cheat AOC as well but I can at least hope she does well enough that it doesn’t matter. Additionally, like I said, she is more willing to play ball with the establishment. She is part of the Democratic Party. Perhaps she can convince them not to completely sabotage her. Again, none of this is guaranteed, but assuming that returning us to the Obama era is somehow going to placate an irate working class is completely delusional. Do you STILL not realize why many 2008 Obama voters went for Trump???

I’m tired of mincing words with a delusional baby. You are a disingenuous liar and you just muddy the waters so that you can feel right in this vague sense without answering one fucking thing that is said to you. Maybe in your sophomore year you should take a logic and rhetoric class

Again, no evidence, just your personal hunches. I’m sure you are quite the big fish on bernie sanders facebook groups

Jesus Christ I can’t believe I have to link this but fine


https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/pol...urnout-sanders


“But Biden continues to struggle with young voters. The former vice president performed best with that demographic in Florida, where he lost voters ages 18-44 to Sen. Bernie Sanders by a 13 percentage point margin; in Illinois, Sanders’s advantage among the group was 37 percentage points — and in Arizona, the senator bested Biden by 52 percentage points”


As for AOC working more with the establishment, she’s willing to be part of the party is she not? Bernie isn’t.

Why are you insisting I provide evidence when you have provided absolutely none yourself? In fact I have now provided two articles to support my points while you have provided none but you are the one screaming about a “lack of evidence”. I’m still waiting to hear evidence on how Trump is literally Hitler and how electing Biden will lead to progressive change.

Jesus Christ I can’t believe I have to link this but fine


https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/pol...urnout-sanders


“But Biden continues to struggle with young voters. The former vice president performed best with that demographic in Florida, where he lost voters ages 18-44 to Sen. Bernie Sanders by a 13 percentage point margin; in Illinois, Sanders’s advantage among the group was 37 percentage points — and in Arizona, the senator bested Biden by 52 percentage points”


As for AOC working more with the establishment, she’s willing to be part of the party is she not? Bernie isn’t.

Why are you insisting I provide evidence when you have provided absolutely none yourself? In fact I have now provided two articles to support my points while you have provided none but you are the one screaming about a “lack of evidence”. I’m still waiting to hear evidence on how Trump is literally Hitler and how electing Biden will lead to progressive change.

OMG it's like you're right and everyone else is wrong!!!! Why won't they listen?

Trump loses to Biden on convention ratings.

Two million fewer viewers than 1st night of DNC convention

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/don...n-first-night/

Argumentum ad populum

You’re not actually going to make me post results from states with black people in them are you

But yes you, a presumably white person (if I am wrong I apologize in advance), are going to tell black people what’s best for them. That seems very leftist if you.

SIDENOTE: I agree bernie’s policies are better! But he had four years to develop some outreach and you know what? He fucking sucked at it! Which is why he got his ass kicked.

I went from Warren to sanders p quickly. But neither of them had any clue about how to win a southern primary. I don’t like Biden, but he very clearly, demonstrably won fair and square. If you’re saying it was rigged you’re basically saying black people shouldn’t have a say.

I went from Warren to sanders p quickly. But neither of them had any clue about how to win a southern primary. I don’t like Biden, but he very clearly, demonstrably won fair and square. If you’re saying it was rigged you’re basically saying black people shouldn’t have a say.

I went from Warren to sanders p quickly. But neither of them had any clue about how to win a southern primary. I don’t like Biden, but he very clearly, demonstrably won fair and square. If you’re saying it was rigged you’re basically saying black people shouldn’t have a say.

I’m mixed and am in fact a descendent of slavery but thanks for playing. I do often pass for white but my mom does not. Bernie’s policies are obviously better than Biden’s for the working class, and Black people make up a disproportionate percentage of the working class. I’m sorry Bernie doesn’t ramble about black kids playing with his leg hairs or whatever Biden did to make you think he isn’t a racist piece of shit. Biden can barely string a coherent sentence together at this point, it’s laughable to think he knows some secret about how to “speak to black people” when he’s said numerous insensitive things about them, including implying Black people are monolithic recently. Bernie has made no such claims. All your claims seem to be regurgitated from CNN. Bernie also did better with young Black people, which is consistently ignored. I am saying it was rigged because exit polls indicated it was. I provided support for this earlier in the thread.

It'd be cool if people learned lessons from things.

It would. Unfortunately you learned nothing from 2016 and its aftermath.

I'm still waiting for you to explain via logic and/or evidence how Ocasio-Cortez is going to deliver an Electoral College win in 2024.

Unfortunately, you are as delusional as you are unintelligent and will never do that. It is abundantly clear by now that it is a waste of time to even communicate with you.

anybody watch Jr's coked-out speech. this is all you need to see of it

Sanders did better with young people across the board. Unfortunately those people don’t fucking vote. Exit polls never indicated Bernie would win in the south. Believe me, I was paying attention. He lost because no one in the south voted for him. Period.

And I already acknowledged that bernies policies are better. You’re so disingenuous. I do apologize for assuming you’re white, as I previously mentioned.

You keep acting as though I love joe Biden. I don’t! He’s bad!

why do we always have at least one Fuzzy?

There is always a dumbest person in every room, though, isn't there?

It's our fault for letting them dictate the conversation.

Yes well sorry

Because she supports policies that appeal to working class people and because people under the age of 40 actually like her. Why do you think Bernie got a lot of support from independents and even some right wingers who were working class?

All you guys have is ad hominems. All because I’m telling you the truth you don’t want to here. You are all going to act shocked when Trump wins again I’m sure.

Why do you guys call anyone who disagrees with you a Trump supporter? I hope you guys realize you’re close to fuzzy politically than I am.

Not me.

Have had a bad feeling about this since biden was the presumptive nominee. Feel pretty certain trump will annihilate him. Then us

Why do you equate anyone who correctly will not vote for trump a Biden supporter

Your answers regarding the judiciary are also incredibly stupid. You’re not as smart as you think you are.

This is not an explanation of how she will deliver an Electoral College victory.

This is why I like the Roman saying “those who can lead will lead.” Hillary got more people to support her in 2016 than Bernie did. And Joe Biden is doing the same thing. Maybe some people don’t like him as HARD as they liked Bernie, but he was able to play the game better and win the nomination. If Bernie were a good leader he would’ve got more support. Period.

I don't think anybody is confident about this one and it'd be pretty weird to have this many pages of people urging a vote against Trump if they were convinced that he's going to lose.

I’m optimistic still. I don’t see Trump winning any previous democrat voters, but I do see him losing republican support from 2016. His margin of victory was so narrow in PA that I can see the state going blue next time around if only 23,000 voters change their minds.

Or if democrat turnout isn’t a shitshow. And I’ve got a feeling turnout will be high.