Ad Hominem

The thread has clearly established that Squish Squash's voting activities this year will be of pure conformity to his environment and, much like everybody else in Missouri, support Trump for president. It did not reveal that he also thinks there's some validity to QAnon, but possibly only because nobody asked.

What else do you want to talk about?

to be fair I've ad hominemed him a bunch as well, I just haven't engaged in all the red herrings, moving goalposts, whataboutisms, strawmen, etc.

it doesn't matter how many examples he's given of things that will be better under Biden, he'll keep repeating the false claim that no one has given him a single reason why Biden would be better than Trump because it's obviously more about his internal narrative than actually choosing the morally best path. he also has not entered into a serious debate over a single one of the things that has been said to him, instead just repeating variations on a small number of extremely generalized talking points while hopping between several different arguments when he can't defend his position (biden is as bad as trump, biden is likely to do bad things trump hasn't done, my vote doesn't matter anyway).

also still waiting for the explanation on how Trump being re-elected is more likely to lead to a progressive president in 2024. he's really really fixated on this one but unless I scrolled past it, he hasn't really explained what the evidence is for there being a potential progressive wave in response to Trump, especially since less voters chose leftist candidates in the primary this time around after living through four years of Trump.

then we have the election is rigged nonsense. The Dems did shady shit to Bernie in 2016 but the primary was not "rigged." Sanders got millions less votes. Millions. That's not rigging an election just because the establishment moved to get Clinton in. And this time around, Sanders got far fewer votes than in 2016. But yeah, rigged. ok. squish squash is just an incredibly disingenuous arguer who is deeply out of touch with people who don't think like him, which is almost the entire electorate.

It's just talking to fuzzyroes without any of the potential for entertainment or laughter, but least we know what that kid from Delhi would have been like if he'd stumbled across his sense of belonging in a Facebook group for entry-level political philosophy instead of the anti-trans subreddit that got him.

from now on all my attacks will be Ad Hominem. Not only on Squishy, but on all of you.

Viva la ad hominem!!!

Ad Homs and saying my arguments don’t make sense are all you guys have. There have been no posts detailing what good things Biden will do and why he is a good candidate to vote for on his own merit. It’s simply been shrieking about Trump, despite the fact that Biden is worse than Trump on trade, war and prison reform. I hate Trump, but that’s just the truth.

Before you call me a Trump supporter for that, I’m aware Trump is worse than Biden on healthcare, the environment, LGBT issues, and fair taxes, amongst many other things. He still has a bad track record on all these issues so that isn’t enough to get me to vote for him in a state he won’t win. I also haven’t pointed out yet that Biden was credibly accused of rape (so was Trump obviously but Biden is supposed to be the moral candidate) and clearly has dementia.

I think it’s time for a diss track

wasn't squish squash credibly accused of rape a few threads ago? why aren't we talking about THAT?

will this diss track work? I think I found Squish on the youtube

What was your argument, again?

only green party libertarian communism will save us
Biden isn't green party libertarian communist
Therefore Biden is Trump and voting is pointless

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/08/biden...ion-austerity/


Read this article please. Biden isn’t going to do any of the things he’s promising in the campaign. Why should I vote for us to return to the Obama era when Obama was a huge disappointment that led to Trump? You are all unconsciously paving the way for a smarter Trump in 2024 by voting for Biden and you are too brainwashed to realize it. I’m not sure Biden is going to win now though, which isn’t surprising as the Democrats already accomplished their main goal (stopping Bernie) and don’t particularly care if they stop Trump as he gives them a convenient scapegoat and helps their fundraising while simultaneously shielding them from criticism.

Given how you’re mocking the term, I feel like you don’t understand that libertarianism in the context I’m using it isn’t the same as American libertarianism (which I detest).

as a former Marxist who does understand the term I am mocking it because it's ridiculous

next you will want to debate the finer points of De Leonism.

This smarter Trump theory is completely asinine. Come on man.

When I asked him to give an example of a far right wing fascistic takeover leading to a left wing wave, he said Herbert Hoover to FDR

That’s not what I said. If Trump was actually a fascist dictator we wouldn’t be having an election. All your talking points are straight from the DNC playbook.

“I still don’t know why Trump got elected”

I’m sorry if I come off as an asshole btw. Some of your views irritate me, but I recognize most of us want some form of left wing government. I truly think voting for Biden hampers that goal, but I have completely understand the idea of harm reduction. My view is that continuing to support the corporate duopoly prevents real change from ever happening. I don’t necessarily think Trump winning again will change the system for the better either, as it obviously could do the opposite, but I fail to see how returning to the Obama era will fix anything when that era helped lead us to Trump in the first place. There are other right wing populists waiting in the wings. If any of them ever come out for something like universal healthcare (no Republican will ever truly enact this IMO but I don’t doubt one might campaign on it), the neoliberals will have little shot of winning. If Trump wasn’t a complete moron he would come out to the left of Biden on some issues and try to siphon off populist support. Instead, he’s doubling down on Biden being a “radical socialist“ which could prove costly for him. It honestly seems to me like both parties are trying to lose the election.

itt i learned my1&only used to call themselves a "Marxist"...must have missed that phase

what a buzzword for whites, man. and some even call each other comrade. lol

back in the 80s, my Mexican father was the only man i knew who called himself a Marxist (and dude dumbly named our dog comrade, which got changed up to Cornbread by us kids) then suddenly---many years later, it's just a big ol' fad and I doubt everyone spouting such mess has even read Marx or understands how their daily personal actions don't even align with what they're spouting.

progressive whites just learned the word 'ally' recently, too. when others don't agree with a progressive white person who has decided they are an "ally", they accuse that other of not being an "ally." it's all very silly.

Your dream isn't going to happen, I'm sorry. It's not possible. Real change isn't happening in the United States until there's a revolution. If you are OK with the sacrifices everyone must go through for that to happen (civil war) then more power to you, I am not and am therefore going with the best option, which is unquestionably Biden.

I think it's great you're still idealistic and all but there is no way the duopoly is going away without a fight. And you voting for Green party is not being part of that fight, either, btw. It is indicating you don't like the duopoly but it's not really doing anything about it, though you might feel like it is. Everyone knows the shit is broken, you don't have to prove it, we know. We just are realistic about our options.

Red herring. Go ahead and answer what is being said. How is 4 more years of Trump going to lead to a progressive wave?

In b4 “I only said it would make it more likely,” explain how.

right, but stop telling other civilians how to vote and express their personal values in the polling booth. nonvoters are the problem (in 2016, ~30% of United Statesians "were eligible to vote but decided not to, a higher percentage than the portion of the country who voted for either Trump or his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton"), not third party voters. that's just a liberal point of attack that happens every year the Democratic party gets stuck with some forced establishment status quo nominee. just be informed about the candidates and vote, and let everyone else vote the way they want---the way god intended

show me what democracy looks like! this is what democracy looks like! (shudder)

That’s a bit of a lie

Squish Squash is pretty much as clever as a child suggesting that if everybody suddenly stops making mortgage repayments, the banks lose their power and we all get a free house.

It's absolutely genius if you're an intellectual lost cause detached from reality.

I don’t think any of you are going to have any success convincing anyone to vote for Biden if your strategy for doing so is to attack them, call Trump a literal fascist dictator, and throw a tantrum whenever people give legitimate reasons as to why they do not want to vote for Biden.

All you've given us is a prediction about what you personally think will happen without any supporting evidence or logically sound reasoning. You have failed to adequately address the various counterarguments and appear reluctant to answer any questions that challenge your views.

Calling you stupid is just describing the situation.

I'm only interested in stopping Trump this time if it means that nobody remotely like Trump will ever get to run for office again and we win forever.

Otherwise, why bother?

People like Trump have been seeking power forever, and they will always be out there continuing to do so. The fight against fascism never ends. Sorry, you don’t get a day off.

"The only way to stop Trump types is to vote them into power. If we keep them from office, they will only grow stronger."
- hypothetical dumbass that sounds just like Squish Squash

I would never vote for Trump he’s the polar opposite of my political views.

I understand why you don't want to. I just think you are being sanctimonious. We all do things we don't want to do because it's the smartest and most logical thing to do.

Trump isn't a dictator, he just wants to be, and could become so if he wins again. He is already 'joking' about 12 more years. He's fucking the post office to win the election. He is trying to be a dictator.

Someone beep me when he explains the reasons to believe there will be a progressive revolution if Trump runs amok for 4 more years. I’m tired of asking.

"Why won't you vote for people dying, Squish Squash?"

BTW,

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...subsidies-from


Dat progressive platform Biden has

I said it's more likely we get AOC as the nominee in 2024 if Trump wins. If Biden wins Kamala will be the nominee in 2024. Who would you rather have? The climate cannot take either Trump or Biden's policies, I do not want four more years of Trump, but if AOC can gain power in 2024, she will actually address the climate issues.