Originally Posted by hnibos (Post 4556757)

My gut tells me if Trump wins, we're obviously totally fucked as a country in the next 4 years. If Biden wins, the right would be triggered and antagonized to spawn someone even worse than Trump because they'll have a semblance of competence (Cotton, Carlson) and then we'd be totally fucked then too. Honestly, if you can, its best to just gtfo this shithole country asap before its too late. I know thats not possible for many (most) probably me included.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556722)

Why do you guys call anyone who disagrees with you a Trump supporter? I hope you guys realize you’re close to fuzzy politically than I am.

Originally Posted by Run To Me (Post 4556723)

Not me.

Have had a bad feeling about this since biden was the presumptive nominee. Feel pretty certain trump will annihilate him. Then us

Originally Posted by duovamp (Post 4556729)

I’m optimistic still. I don’t see Trump winning any previous democrat voters, but I do see him losing republican support from 2016. His margin of victory was so narrow in PA that I can see the state going blue next time around if only 23,000 voters change their minds. Or if democrat turnout isn’t a shitshow. And I’ve got a feeling turnout will be high.

Originally Posted by duovamp (Post 4556727)

This is why I like the Roman saying “those who can lead will lead.” Hillary got more people to support her in 2016 than Bernie did. And Joe Biden is doing the same thing. Maybe some people don’t like him as HARD as they liked Bernie, but he was able to play the game better and win the nomination. If Bernie were a good leader he would’ve got more support. Period.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556741)

Again I am not certain my theory is right. The only thing I’m certain about is that Biden won’t fix the problems that plague America and the world. None of you have provided any evidence that suggests he will even begin to do so, either. Better than Trump isn’t good enough.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556742)

I’m the only person in this entire thread who has supported my claims with links, so this is an odd take. Re: your electoral college question, Can you really not figure out why AOC (assuming she’s the nominee) would win when she’s getting all the people like me who refuse to support neoliberals to actually vote for the Democratic ticket?

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556743)

Yeah I thought Biden had it for awhile but the polls lately haven’t been encouraging. I’m pretty sure Trump is winning again. And RBG will blame it on Bernie again.

Originally Posted by ninsp (Post 4556750)

Anyone who thinks we will have a country in 2024 If Herr Trump get re-elected is a moron

Originally Posted by hnibos (Post 4556758)

I know I'm jaded and getting old but I legit think its DELUSIONAL of anyone who thinks Sanders would win or AOC is going to win. Do yall not see how conservative of a country we live in? Americans by and large do not believe in spending taxpayer dollars to help the working class in any tangible way. Maybe people live in that echo chamber bubble. Idk.

Originally Posted by hnibos (Post 4556759)

Yes I'm in a swing state, I'll stand in line for hours to vote for Biden even if I just think its delaying the inevitable.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556781)

I think I already said the 2024 theory is speculation (and tbh me being hopeful) on my part. Why am I the only person who has to provide links?

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream (Post 4556791)

felling blesed :banoonoo:

Originally Posted by MplsTaper (Post 4556803)

take me with you tommy

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556806)

how's ur spanish?

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556802)

One of my queer friends in the DC area moved to Iceland a month ago. She was lucky to have dual citizenship in the UK, which made it easier for her to leave this country.

My sister is moving to Vancouver at the end of the week. She was lucky to have found a job and to get help with work permit from her employer.

Originally Posted by buzzard (Post 4556787)

Wow, Squish. You sure are good at only seeing what you want to see.

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556807)

i got a ? would anyone tell tara reade (or any woman who simply refuses to vote for a sexual predator ) to quit belly-achin' and pick the less evil of the men who both represent the person who harmed her? what would you say to women for whom it would be traumatic to vote for either one? they get a pass from you or what? oh arbiters of voting

Originally Posted by redbreegull (Post 4556792)

Not on policy goals we aren't. Like I already said, you aren't even further left than half the people who post in this community. If being progressive to you means being an intransigent child who has no understanding of utilitarianism and the greater good, then I guess I concede you are more left wing than any of us. If it means our policy goals and attachment to the most efficacious way to get close to them, then you are far closer to fuzzyroes than... basically all of us.





I am also cautiously hopeful. Trump is going into this election with the biggest disadvantage of any incumbent in history since the advent of modern polling. I don't really care for the punditry and prognostication anymore... as people who think like this are basically magical thinkers and have been wrong so many times in the past... all I care about are the numbers, and the numbers show Trump as a contender, but one in a historically difficult position. The idea that Trump is ironclad and is a shoe-in and that we "haven't learned the lessons of 2016," is straight-up magical thinking. It's applying a non-scientific and emotionally driven lens to the election. People don't want to be embarassed again after the media shoved the Hillary has a 99% chance of winning narrative down everyone's throats and they didn't listen to Nate Silver who said Trump had a very real path to victory etc etc., but that's more about ego than what is actually happening.



Seriously. I don't love the Democratic establishment and I don't love centrism, but the idea that shit was "rigged" against Sanders, which elicits an idea of blatantly faking votes, is patently false. The Democrats did move against Sanders and pull some shitty moves on him in 2016, but at the end of the day they ironically did it unnecessarily. Sanders received THREE MILLION less votes. In 2020, Sanders performed far more poorly, receiving NINE MILLION less votes than Biden, and losing a bunch of states Sanders carried four years ago.

Politico – 2016 vs. 2020 State By State

Wikipedia – Results of 2020 Democratic Primary

Wikipedia – Results of the 2016 Democratic Primary



So your hunch, which you aped from facebook meme groups and Sanders staffers, is worth putting millions of people's lives and rights in jeopardy, losing the judiciary for 40 years, and the possible collapse of the US as a democracy. Cool, you seem smart and empathetic. The morally correct path is to keep the greater evil out and reduce suffering you dumb dick. Your punditry is 100% bullshit you've clearly just taken from other people.



People like you are a small minority who amplify yourselves on the internet. You have no fucking clue how to speak to people who don't think and talk exactly like yourself. You don't have the keys to the kingdom, and a lot of your dumbass facebook buds will click like on a Bernie Sanders group but don't fucking show up to vote.



I never blamed it on Bernie, but cool lie. Sanders staying in so long was only one small factor in a perfect storm of factors that let Trump stumble into the presidency in 2016. The idea you have that it can be magically boiled down to one factor (establishment candidates can't win) is beyond stupid and without any evidence. In 2018, Democrats swept across the spectrum. Progressives did exceedingly well. Moderates did exceedingly well. Blue dogs did exceedingly well. You just don't understand the political climate at all, which is why you don't understand why people gravitated to Biden and believe this outright falsehood that the Democrats "rigged" the primary against Sanders even though he received SIX MILLION less votes this cycle than in 2016.




ninsp is the second worst poster on this board right now, and even he knows Trump is an existential threat to the US.



I don't think it's beyond the realm of imagination that someone like Sanders could win the presidency if everything lined up perfectly for them. But we've only ever had one quasi-socialist and it certainly does not seem like the mood of the country right now to elect one. What we saw in 2020 vs. 2016 was people reach out for a safer choice. Biden was sort of the shortest distance everyone in the tent had to travel to meet at one point, and that is why he won. People want Trump out, and that is the lead animus of the Democratic party right now.



squish squash, he is literally saying the opposite of you



because your position is idiotic and your links are nonsense and everyone thinks you are being really immature and obnoxious. your speculation is not worth people's lives. grow up you fucking baby

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556828)

Almost all the women I know have been assaulted at some point in their lives, including me.
Everyone I now consider a friend or family is voting for Biden.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556832)

I am not including myself in this as I have no sexual trauma and am not a woman.

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly (Post 4556828)

Almost all the women I know have been assaulted at some point in their lives, including me.
Everyone I now consider a friend or family is voting for Biden.

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556875)

you've only identified as a woman for a ~year yet speak as if you have a lifetime of experience being oppressed as one. furthermore, you speak as if you know MORE about women actually go through than other women who don't have your privileges that you had then and now

Originally Posted by redbreegull (Post 4556880)

I had no idea jk rowling posts here

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor (Post 4556875)

you've only identified as a woman for a ~year yet speak as if you have a lifetime of experience being oppressed as one. furthermore, you speak as if you know MORE about women actually go through than other women who don't have your privileges that you had then and now

Originally Posted by Squish Squash (Post 4556885)

Um...what? Y S E M didn’t saw MOAO isn’t a woman, which is what Rowling would argue.

Originally Posted by Eulogy (Post 4556892)

Arguing that a trans woman is privileged now is... pretty TERF—y.

Whether or not she gained from male privilege in the past doesn’t seem super relevant to me? But I guess you can make half of that argument if you personally dislike the person you’re criticizing. Doesn’t seem very helpful though.