Let’s talk about the primary
 

Liz Warren or Pete buttigieg or bust

Discuss

Bernie needs to announce yo

He can fuck all the way off.

I do not understand people who prefer him to warren. They have similar ideas but she laid out more of a plan in a week than he has in his entire career. He gave us Trump. Fuck him.

But if he somehow gets the nomination I will happily vote for him.

So maybe he should just fuck halfway off. I am 100% sure my vote literally does not matter because my state is going to go Democrat like I am. Same thing in a different state in 2016 but look who's eating fast food in the Oval Office. So.

I think all of the candidates running have the potential to beat Trump. They also all have weak spots or questionable choices that could be weaponized against them. I think Bernie is probably the most squeaky clean but I honestly don't want him to run. I like Warren but feel she might be better as VP.

Bernie is absolutely not squeaky clean jfc

Right now it seems to me that Kamala Harris is the best positioned to be considered a front-runner, if such a judgement is possible this early. Booker is probably my least favorite. I also like Tulsi quite a lot but her views have changed a lot over time and she had that weird thing with Assad.

I think a ticket like Harris/Gillibrand could be really powerful.

what has Bernie done?

Gabbard are you serious

Have you been red pilled

His 2016 campaign was overrun by sexist bros and he basically elected trump.

I don't think "he elected Trump" would be a very effective attack against him. Warren's stupid DNA test is a bigger liability. I meant in terms of things these people have done in the past which could come back to haunt them. Bernie is pretty clean, and he has always been consistent.

but like I said, I don't even want him to run

a lot of Dems have been talking about how we can't win just by being anti-Trump, but I don't think that is true. In November, we saw Dems from across the political spectrum do very, very well. Trump is the ultimate animus for liberal America and ultimately I am going to wind up voting for who I think is strongest against Trump, not who I identify most with ideologically

He wrote some weird shit back in the day.

The dna test thing was really dumb. But I want this to be about policy. And “I literally want to take money from rich people” is a fabulous message.

If you want squeaky clean you go to buttigieg! What a story. Gay married Rhodes scholar Afghanistan war vet. Like. What more could you want. He is also incredibly eloquent.

I understand what they're trying to say, but the whole "hur hur Trump declared a national emergency for the wall, we'll just declare a national emergency to initiate gun control or climate change regulations" line of reasoning coming from the pundits is dangerous talk. I hope candidates are smart enough to realize that this is the kind of talk that fires up the ammosexuals and gets Trump re-elected.

That won't get Trump re-elected. Only Dems staying home could keep him in the WH, and i say that from the standpoint of electoral mathematics. He needs some combo of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Florida to win

Can somebody explain to me how Sanders "elected Trump?" Because I do not understand that claim.

I might catch shit for this but neoliberals gave us Trump

ammosexual
A sexual fetish that finds pleasure in the power to kill dozens of people with the pull of a trigger. An ammosexual may understand the desire of other people to live, but feels all the greater pleasure in contemplating that he has the power to overcome that desire with his power. Ammosexuals are very protective of their fetish, and attack even the slightest gun safety measure on the grounds that they interfere with their pleasure.
Many ammosexuals practice the religion of gundamentalism or demand the invasion of weaker countries as a means of reaching wargasm.
After every mass killing, ammosexuals gather for an orgy of suppressing gun control measures.

there were many factors that gave us Trump. Trump won through a perfect storm of things going in his favor. If you subtract any one of those factors, Clinton probably would have won. Bernie is one of those factors, but so is Clinton's incompetence.

Comey is pretty guilty IMO

So admittedly this is kind of personal. I witnessed someone go from a sanders supporter to a trump supporter. I think they both fire similar neurons for stupid people.

The whole anti-establishment idea is monstrously stupid and he hung his hat on it. So when it came to the general... we all know what happened.

I do not have very solid data on this but I feel it in my fucking bones. Which is a bad way to think about stuff but we have so many great candidates now. He needs to fuck off.

If the claim is that "he criticised Clinton during the primaries" when he should have not said anything that could later be used as fuel against the inevitable frontrunner, that contradicts historical evidence, which shows that tough primaries actually tend to help the nominee.

But if the claim is something else, then I am not aware of it, and need to be enlightened. Be gentle, I'm Canadian.

She is the definition of boring competence. That’s what I’ve always loved about her.

This is correct.

I like Lizzy Warren too

I think in strictly policy terms Bernie is just slightly left of her

sadly I think she's far less electable though

a competent administrator, yes. a competent campaigner, no.

My view is that he made the entire idea of Hillary Clinton repulsive to his supporters. It was subtle but they fucking latched on to it

Robby Mook really shit the bed.

I was a Hillary supporter back in 2008. I don’t understand why people need to be inspired. The job should be boring! I really think she would have been an excellent president.

I agree, she would have been a very good pres

I’m still bitter about the 2008 primary because the only real policy difference was on an individual mandate for health insurance. Obama opposed it. Clinton supported it. We know what happened.

Don’t get me wrong though I really love Barack Obama.

Why?

She has actually laid out how to accomplish what she wants to do. Bernie never did that.

just a guess but probably because people don't vote on logical things like this

Ah. I guess I don't think that the fact that many people were attracted to him for unsophisticated reasons says much about his policies themselves. Like, yeah, Fuzzy is a classic example, liking both Sanders and Trump, despite the fact that they've got completely opposing policies, because they are both "anti-establishment," and that is more of an emotive style than a policy. People like Fuzzy aren't interested in policies, only the images of politicians.

When it came to the policies, I think Sanders' were good, though.

And, as bad as it is, if there were a Democratic candidate with good policies who happened to win Trump's base's votes for purely aesthetic reasons, would that be a bad thing? Some Trump voters voted for Obama because his image was the "hopey-changey guy" in 2008. These people are idiots, anyway. May as well allow them to be useful idiots.

You’re right but goddamn that’s depressing isn’t it?

I will push back on the idea that sanders has actual policies though. He refused to just say “soak the rich.” Warren is saying it.

Sanders has been saying some form of that for decades now where as Warren used to be a Republican

Sanders stood almost alone in naming the enemy for quite awhile

just being honest

most the Bernie Bros were people who would not have voted for a democrat anyway

the data I've seen suggests the large majority of Bernie primary voters still showed up for Hillary, granted that number should have been 100%

the divide was worse when it came time for Hillary voters to show up for Obama

*shrugs*