Originally Posted by vixnix (Post 4406129)

I can understand that - I think this was a cause close to the hearts of Bernie Bros.

Trump supporters were labelled fascists, and Bernie Bros were labelled socialists, but essentially their support of 'fringe' or 'anti-establishment' candidates (which is the main platform both candidates ran on) are both what Marx would call "the sigh of the oppressed". He said it about religion....but at this stage, political campaigns are pretty religious. People aren't just appealing to a person's agreement on policy commitments - it's become a race that's won or lost based on creating a kind of fervour and fielty to a leader who symbolises most closely a person's mortal and moral concerns.

I understand and sympathise with Trump supporters more than I do with HRC supporters, even though of course I think she would be a much better president. But she did come to represent the political establishment which has done nothing except systematically fail the citizens who pay their salaries, year after year. For every incremental improvement that happens for one group, there is neglect toward many others. And always, year after year, no matter who is in charge, a truly disgusting amount of taxpayer money being spent on arms. HRC made no promises about fixing that particular issue, and she and the Clinton foundation do have some questionable history with Boeing et. al.

So I think supporting Trump is the wrong idea, but I can understand a guy like Fuzzy accepting the rhetoric, because things are hard and hopeless for a lot of young people right now. The people that shit on fuzzy here at netpho are nearly all middle class with college degrees. I would gently suggest that you're not from the classes of people who have been missing out, year after year, and who are desperate now, can't afford for their kids to go to good schools, can't find steady employment, have no home, are constantly only one or two rent payments away from eviction.

Shitting on people who support Trump without asking why they would support a guy like that, and not just accepting the answer "Because he's a shit person, look at all these other opinions he has" is a kind of elitism I reckon.

I subscribe to that other school of elitism. Pity.

Just as toxic I guess.

Originally Posted by ilikeplanets (Post 4406134)

what the fuck even happened here. i think everyone missed everyone's point.

Originally Posted by vixnix (Post 4406152)

working class people whose parents didn't go to university and who don't have the social capital to attend university themselves exist all over the world, surprisingly

and the worldwide entertainment event that is the U.S. election is something that everyone follows, it's basically the politics version of America's Got Talent or American Idol

It's

American Election

It follows the same format of progressive eliminations and competitive performances and back stories as all the others.

Forgive the working classes of the rest of the world for becoming involved in an entertainment package that has been aggressively marketed to them

They didn't get to attend uni and take the mandatory Critical Thinking 101 paper that you did

Originally Posted by LaBelle (Post 4406153)

Gay, trans, black people and minorities in general get attacked, raped, stoned and killed every single day for simply being themselves.
But no we should feel sorry for the guy who never has to deal with an ounce of that in his life and openly supports the people who want to keep that as the status quo.

The privilege of some of the people here is absolutely disgusting.

Originally Posted by Elphenor (Post 4406174)

I don't know if that kind of "they just don't know better" talk is more or less elitist than just calling them deplorables

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook (Post 4406164)

When you said we share a fav band were you talking about SLEEP or Borisu?

Originally Posted by TuralyonW3 (Post 4406178)

Boris but I love SLEEP just as much if not more

Originally Posted by vixnix (Post 4406175)

Isn't it a sign of your privilege that you place the protection of this group of people above the protection of children through their parents provision for them, which in turn requires them to have secure employment, which requires job creation...which was one of the big promises Trump made?

An increasing number of families are facing homelessness in the U.S. and parents need meaningful and properly compensated employment. If you are trying to put food on the table for your kids and a roof over your head, or if that is the most pressing need you see around you, where you live, you're going to vote according to those interests.

It's no different to you seeing the most pressing need as legal protection for those who are currently marginalised and persecuted by society at large.

Both of these groups are affected by a truly shameful number of preventable deaths. It doesn't help IMO, for supporters of these two groups to claim that the other group doesn't support their goals because their privilege makes them blind to the needs of others.

Originally Posted by LaBelle (Post 4406181)

When Obama took office the unemployment rate was at 10% and he left it at 4,6%.
The whole jobs angle trump took was a big fat lie.

And i'm sure taking affordable healthcare away from the population is in the best interest of those raising kids.

Originally Posted by vixnix (Post 4406191)

I mean, everything he said was a lie, if it was coherent enough for truth-testing.

I don't want to seem like I'm defending him or his claims because I'm not.

I'm defending people who are called bigots and fascists because they were attracted to Trump's message.

Many bigots and fascists were excited by a Trump victory and it's a disaster that he's become president.

But I think a lot of people who are not bigots or fascists were also attracted to the Trump platform, that's all.