Originally Posted by Charmbag (Post 4095685)

It was especially interesting what she said about how some people dismissed her because she wasn't the "right type of poor person." It's crazy how people are so eager to point out some disproportionately small mistake you made if something terrible happens to you, as if making mistakes in life isn't inevitable. Like you only deserve sympathy and help for living in poverty if you're born into it, or if you are born into it, you only deserve to make it out if you live like a Spartan and are clever and strong.

Originally Posted by The exploding boy (Post 4096787)

And seriously it's not hard to not have kids. Really not hard. I've succeeded at it all my life.

Originally Posted by Bread Regal (Post 4096851)

exploding boy posts link to right wing-blog which criticizes an essay which is sympathetic to poor people, because she cannot, with integrity, speak about the experiences of "actual poor people" because she was poor enough, i guess?

in same post exploding boy speaks sanctimoniously about the birth rate in poor communities.

he was always kind of dumb, but it's clear which side he's chosen in the class war, so now i just think he's a dirtbag.

Originally Posted by hnibos (Post 4096891)

A sexist dirtbag

Originally Posted by The exploding boy (Post 4096902)

the ueducated poor [raise] simple minded kids who lack capacity for self-reflection necessary to properly contribute to the betterment of society.

I still think that in the western world, not accidentally procreating isn't hard. Well....at least in countries with free healthcare (cause an abortion could be an issue if you have to pay for it i imagine). Personally, my gf isn't on birth control and i don't use a condom. We still have managed to not make a baby in the whole 7 years we've been together. Not difficult.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 4097017)

I can't believe how goddamn dumb you are ariel, "i didn't even read the link" and bitching about the fact that this person wrote something that struck a chord and now she's got a book deal she's not "proper poor" what the FUCK are you talking about

your idea of employment is gigs and medical studies, you are the poor

Originally Posted by Bread Regal (Post 4096944)

you engage in risky behavior that very frequently has undesirable consequences which would make your life very hard if you weren't part of a social class that has consistent access to the resources that would help you avert financial catastrophe. why can't everyone be born into your social class? it's not hard. really.

Originally Posted by Poots (Post 4097338)

"Oh baby you're so hot, I'm gonna cum! Did you check your ovulation calendar to see if I can ejaculate inside you? Well, where is it? Well shit go get it. Fine, I'll just finish it myself. Can you hand me the towel? It's on your side. Just... we need to wash the sheets anyway."

Originally Posted by Bread Regal (Post 4097397)

Totally oblivious.

Originally Posted by The exploding boy (Post 4097335)

Well i am poor. But yet not really until my parents die. I have a safety net, not like money because my parents aren't giving me any (save maybe a hundred at like my birthdays or xmas) but potential support should I ever end up homeless (which in canada is fairly hard to achieve, i'd have to become mentally incompetent to not seek the help the government offers).

A lot of the truly poor don't have anything of the sort. i'll probably inherit a house someday of which my share will be something like 50 000$ which in my world will be like a million (or i may just elect to live in it). that's more than a lot of people i know can ever count on getting. Starting with my gf who has NO ONE. Not a dad, not a mom, not grandparents, not a sibling. No one. I'm poor from middle class meaning poor with some options. that girl who wrote the article from what i can tell was poor with lots more of options than i have and i consider myself one of the lucky ones. she presented herself as poorer than she is. Though i will admit that she did raise SOME good points when she wasn't too busy getting off on mentioning how allegedly fucking poor she was.

But yes it was dumb to link blindly. I mean i read what more or less the link as about, in an earlier story about it last year, on a non biased site.



What is not hard is not getting pregnant. In general. Sure an accident can always happen but if anyone is being actually careful it is not difficult to prevent. the % of risk is probably lesser than 1% whether you're on birth control or using condoms (nevermind both). Even without any of those, assuming one couldn't afford them or that BC wouldn't be paid for by healthcare, it's not very difficult. It implies, you know, not ejaculating inside a vagina which really doesn't demand unreasonable self control (speaking by experience) and is generally very effective especially if you couple that with tracking ovulating times. Getting pregnant (or getting someone pregnant) when you didn't want to generally demands a fairly high level of irresponsibility and/or fairly exceptional bad luck (obviously excluding rape). Or sheer ignorance to a level which i find hard to imagine exists in the western world.

Once you ARE pregnant than yes it can be difficult to get rid of the fetus anywhere that doesn't have social health care because then it becomes a money issue.