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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 4097017)

I can't believe how goddamn dumb you are ariel, "i didn't even read the link" and bitching about the fact that this person wrote something that struck a chord and now she's got a book deal she's not "proper poor" what the FUCK are you talking about

your idea of employment is gigs and medical studies, you are the poor

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Originally Posted by Bread Regal (Post 4096944)

you engage in risky behavior that very frequently has undesirable consequences which would make your life very hard if you weren't part of a social class that has consistent access to the resources that would help you avert financial catastrophe. why can't everyone be born into your social class? it's not hard. really.

What is not hard is not getting pregnant. In general. Sure an accident can always happen but if anyone is being actually careful it is not difficult to prevent. the % of risk is probably lesser than 1% whether you're on birth control or using condoms (nevermind both). Even without any of those, assuming one couldn't afford them or that BC wouldn't be paid for by healthcare, it's not very difficult. It implies, you know, not ejaculating inside a vagina which really doesn't demand unreasonable self control (speaking by experience) and is generally very effective especially if you couple that with tracking ovulating times. Getting pregnant (or getting someone pregnant) when you didn't want to generally demands a fairly high level of irresponsibility and/or fairly exceptional bad luck (obviously excluding rape). Or sheer ignorance to a level which i find hard to imagine exists in the western world.

Once you ARE pregnant than yes it can be difficult to get rid of the fetus anywhere that doesn't have social health care because then it becomes a money issue.

Jesus areil you are a arseholr

QUOTE=Trotskilicious;4097364]Jesus areil you are a arseholr[/quote]

Well that was always a given.

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Originally Posted by Poots (Post 4097338)

"Oh baby you're so hot, I'm gonna cum! Did you check your ovulation calendar to see if I can ejaculate inside you? Well, where is it? Well shit go get it. Fine, I'll just finish it myself. Can you hand me the towel? It's on your side. Just... we need to wash the sheets anyway."

Ya how stupid to assume someone should care more about not getting preggers than you know making sure they do not ruin the passion of the moment (which they will then regret for the rest of their lives). Besides, no one has to check anything. It should be clear when your partner is having her period without even asking her (assuming one is in a relationship, if youre not, wtf are you doing not using a condom). After that its simple math that doesn't really require a calendar. But if you elect to fuck without birth control or condoms, this is the only sure way to ensure not having an unwanted child. To not take that kind of precaution then is not only dumb, it's kinda criminal in my view.

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Originally Posted by Bread Regal (Post 4097397)

Totally oblivious.

Make your point instead of being dense. I'll be happy to address it for like a full paragraph which you will then sneer at.

And poots had it right about what i meant (repeating cycle of poverty)

somebody read this and give me a two sentence synopsis

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Originally Posted by The exploding boy (Post 4097335)

Well i am poor. But yet not really until my parents die. I have a safety net, not like money because my parents aren't giving me any (save maybe a hundred at like my birthdays or xmas) but potential support should I ever end up homeless (which in canada is fairly hard to achieve, i'd have to become mentally incompetent to not seek the help the government offers).

A lot of the truly poor don't have anything of the sort. i'll probably inherit a house someday of which my share will be something like 50 000$ which in my world will be like a million (or i may just elect to live in it). that's more than a lot of people i know can ever count on getting. Starting with my gf who has NO ONE. Not a dad, not a mom, not grandparents, not a sibling. No one. I'm poor from middle class meaning poor with some options. that girl who wrote the article from what i can tell was poor with lots more of options than i have and i consider myself one of the lucky ones. she presented herself as poorer than she is. Though i will admit that she did raise SOME good points when she wasn't too busy getting off on mentioning how allegedly fucking poor she was.

But yes it was dumb to link blindly. I mean i read what more or less the link as about, in an earlier story about it last year, on a non biased site.

What is not hard is not getting pregnant. In general. Sure an accident can always happen but if anyone is being actually careful it is not difficult to prevent. the % of risk is probably lesser than 1% whether you're on birth control or using condoms (nevermind both). Even without any of those, assuming one couldn't afford them or that BC wouldn't be paid for by healthcare, it's not very difficult. It implies, you know, not ejaculating inside a vagina which really doesn't demand unreasonable self control (speaking by experience) and is generally very effective especially if you couple that with tracking ovulating times. Getting pregnant (or getting someone pregnant) when you didn't want to generally demands a fairly high level of irresponsibility and/or fairly exceptional bad luck (obviously excluding rape). Or sheer ignorance to a level which i find hard to imagine exists in the western world.

Once you ARE pregnant than yes it can be difficult to get rid of the fetus anywhere that doesn't have social health care because then it becomes a money issue.

I am not Going to devote much more energy to this conversation other than what is required to tell you what a f*cking dumb*ss you are. You're clearly completely oblivious to the systemic issues that are faced by the poor which make life almost insurmountably challenging. Maybe instead of just rejecting that woman's essay because she wasn't poor enough , perhaps you should be more open to understanding such challenges.

The widely held notion that poor people are fully responsible for their status in society is a toxic one. Poverty is imposed on people by the system in which they live. to say that anybody would actively choose that way of life is f*cking moronic.

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Originally Posted by Bread Regal (Post 4097425)

The widely held notion that poor people are fully responsible for their status in society is a toxic one. Poverty is imposed on people by the system in which they live. to say that anybody would actively choose that way of life is f*cking moronic.

Truth

Well, Marx was waiting for a proletarian uprising, but the working classes never develop true "class consciousness" and I think it's because most poor people don't question their status enough and don't even consider that there's a better way for them, they are too accepting.

I think the wealthy have found ways to keep the masses stupid and selfish.

lol exploding boy thinks the only way you get a girl pregnant is ejaculating in her. are you even remotely aware of precum? The fact that you and your girl don't practice safe sex and haven't for 7 years means that you are either 1) extraordinarily lucky or 2) sterile. No more, no less.

But he's experienced this in his life so everyone can have this same experience.

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Originally Posted by D. (Post 4097439)

That's a bit of a myth. Not precum, the fact that its likely to make you pregnant. It was never proven that anyone ever got pregnant from it.

The most recent and decent study on pre ejaculate found that only 41% of men produced motile sperm in pre ejaculate and it ranged from a count of 1 million to 35 million. A normal ejaculate should produce 100 million or so. A man that produces 5 million or less sperm normally is considered infertile and at 5 million has an hypothetical 1% chance of getting a woman pregnant (but usually recognized probably less than this). Even if you're one of the small % of men that not only produce motile sperm in pre-ejaculate but who would produce the peak of 35 million motile sperm (which i would assume would be maybe what 10% of men?) which is already unlikely but possible of course, that at best put the chances of pregnancy to maybe 8%. Worrisome at that number of course, but you couple that with not having sex during the peak risk period and you've just put the chances at way below 0%.

Also some men don't even produce pre-ejaculate at all.

And again it has still to be proven that preejaculate ever made a woman pregnant. Officially that has never been researched and with those numbers it would probably take a long time to prove or disprove. Not to mention the risk % are hypothetical and suppose that they are not only motile, but significantly so (some infertile men's problem is that their sperm isn't motile enough).

Can i claim it can't get anyone pregnant? no. Can i claim it's highly unlikely? Yes.

The most like;y risk with the puling out technique is a dumb fuck that allegedly can't control themselves.

And yes i've derailed this thread long enough.

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Originally Posted by Elijah Moon (Post 4097429)

Yeah it's a shame there's never been any communist revolutions.....

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Originally Posted by Charmbag (Post 4097923)

Yeah it's a shame there's never been any communist revolutions.....

Yeah, but they all go to shit, corruption reigns and "the people" don't take control because they want some sort of Father Figure, whether a dictator or "The Party." That's what Wilhelm Reich thought, anyway. I did half a Sociology degree once, so don't fuck with me.

did exploding boy say say that the probability of an event can drop below zero? what a goddamn moron.

if the probability of getting pregnany during one single instance of intercourse is at a constant .01, if those people have sex 10 times, the probability increases to ~9.6%. 100 times? ~63%. 500 times? Over 99%

Assuming you've had sex with your girlffriend 500 times (seems reasonable for a 7 year period), you're shooting blanks, dude.

A great reminder not to have sex if you're not okay with being pregnant or impregnating someone

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Originally Posted by butthurt (Post 4095623)

Why do so many poor people eat junk food, fail to budget properly, show no ambition? Linda Tirado knew exactly why… because she was one of them.

Why I make terrible decisions, or, poverty thoughts
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...-mouth-extract

it's not actually true

people on SNAP or WIC tend to spend their money on basics like milk, eggs, rice, etc. Very little of their money goes for junk food. SNAP and WIC also can't be used for much more than basics anyway. Retailers aren't allowed to sell unapproved items to SNAP customers

in florida you can buy literally anything that is food unless it is hot with SNAP.

soda, ring pops, donuts, cakes, organic food, whey protein powder, anything. most people buy very reasonably but i mostly dont give a fuck because people should be able to get whatever they want and i dont know their circumstances and good will prevails. SNAP isn't the problem w/r/t eating healthy foods.

wic is another beast, it is very limited.

brown rice/whole wheat no sugar bread/corn tortillas
milk
beans
veg/fruit
peanut butter
juice
eggs
baby formula
baby food
tuna for breastfeeding moms
some cereals
mild cheddar, american or part skim mozzarella cheese

I just remember from bagging in a grocery store wic being stupidly limited all the way down to only allowing you to get a certain type of cereal in a certain size and stuff