btw - being 'hard headed' in response to stupidity happens in the real world every day

i'm pretty sure scotty is using "gluten intolerance" as shorthand for "non-celiac gluten intolerance", which doesn't make his statement any less false.

I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on that, JB

which part.

that gluten intolerance non celiac is absolute horseshit fad diet crap

ok, legit gluten intolerance may not be nearly as common as people who insist they have it, but lhasdglkjhsdfgjknldksjnvlkndv im not doing this again i got shit to do in the morning.

well fine i'm just saying man there's some serious fad dieting going on

word but the fact that it's a fad diet doesn't preclude the existence of NCGI

it's still rare, i mean we built civilization on wheat yo

Nutrition is very complex and still poorly understood

Until they can show me a definitive study on the ill effects of gluten and how a large segment of the population is negatively impacted by it.....

This is all a ploy by the chinese to get us to eat more rice. you fucking know it is.

TOC to thread. What's really going on with the no gluten craze, please enlighten.

vomiting from gluten = gluten intolerance

physical evidence of bowel/intestinal damage due to gluten = Coeliac

i mean why give a fuck about what people eat, or which diet they prefer. worry about your own stuff (like shutting the fuck up from time to time)

yeah who gives a fuck if someone is stupid says the guy who's upset about people being stupid

something like that

im going to end with the fact that my girlfriend gets people just like you, Trots, who deride her for "fad dieting" when they don't know the first fucking thing about her health issues.

it wasn't even directed at you in the first place

i don't recall deriding your girlfriend

do you not have the fad going on in NZ or something

a spade is a spade, dude.

I'm Hardcore, I think you need to bone up on your reading skills.

i know four people with either celiac or gluten allergy and everyone is swear to god it's so totally real i know what other people do but MY girlfriend is different she's for real

i'm not a scientist but i think it's safe to say that it is very unlikely that i would know four people with this allergen/disease

especially during a fad diet sweeping the country

so with all due respect to your girlfriend's health issues whatever they are, most people are playing silly buggers to borrow a phrase

can this thread be made by you next please

or anyone else offended by the term "Disarmarita" lol

thank you and goodday!

No. Gluten sensitivity is a symptom of Celiac. And its not the only symptom. Gluten does not cause celiac.

Simple gluten intolerance is not supported by science. In fact the researcher who originally coined the term published a followup study last year refuting it. He did the research and found no evidence for it.

But that won't stop the diet fad.

Correct. He doesn't seem to understand that in the absense of celiac or crohns there's no evidence for gluten intolerance

"Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a prolamin (gluten protein) found in wheat, and similar proteins found in the crops of the tribe Triticeae (which includes other common grains such as barley and rye). Upon exposure to gliadin, and specifically to three peptides found in prolamins, the enzyme tissue transglutaminase modifies the protein, and the immune system cross-reacts with the small-bowel tissue, causing an inflammatory reaction. That leads to a truncating of the villi lining the small intestine (called villous atrophy). This interferes with the absorption of nutrients because the intestinal villi are responsible for absorption. The only known effective treatment is a lifelong gluten-free diet. While the disease is caused by a reaction to wheat proteins, it is not the same as wheat allergy."

it is a autoimmune disorder, and has genetic predispositions, but it its not there until you consume gluten. At least hat has always been my understanding.

Dr. Scotty MD

from Wikipedia...

Since the root cause of Celiac is still not completely understood, there's a great deal of conflicting info online. Even on Wikipedia, where right after the statement above (which is consistent with the medical literature) it says this..

To say that it is CAUSED by gluten would mean that gluten itself could cause an otherwise healthy person to become sick. But that's not the case. While the symptoms of Celiac can worsen or lessen, people who have it have it. There no indication that Gluten is the single causal factor. If it was "the cause" a simple double blind study of non symptomatic individuals given a gluten heavy would show a percentage of them (equal to the occurrence of celiac in the general population) suddenly develop the disease. but that's not happened. And unlike an allergy it can't be treated with sensitivity treatments or conditioning.

an analogy would be lactose intolerance. the effect of the intolerance is not felt until one consumes lactose. But it's not lactose that cases the intolerance. Lactose intolerance is genetic. If the gene that codes for lactose tolerance shuts off after infancy like it did in all humans prior to the rise of farming/herding then the individual would suffer lactose intolerance. But they would be lactose intolerant whether or not they ever consumed lactose.

Someone who has celiac is in a similar situation. They have the condition whether or not they eat gluten. The gluten causes intestinal distress. But it doesn't cause the disorder.

It would be like saying that Type 1 Diabetes is caused by a high carb diet. It's not.



All of that aside, celiac is a real condition and some people with celiac suffer a great deal from it. I know many many people who do. I've worked with Celiac support groups for years, long before the gluten free diet fad.


My earlier comment did in no way refute the existence or reality of celiac. I was commenting on the diet fad and the people claiming "gluten intolerance" where none exists.

so that screenshot from the Coeliac NZ page is wrong, they're wrong?


CAUSED BY INTOLERANCE TO GLUTEN, no less. maybe you should get in contact with them, and tell them that they're wrong. then, i shall rest easy.