True, but the dudes in that pic are anti-israel for reasons way different than wanting to free palestine. (lack of women and signs saying anything about palestine should be a hint)

what the hell kind of diseased false dilemma bullshit thinking is this

lets all calm down, the israel/palestine "conflict" is a "complex" problem in which there is no "easy solution"

personally i'm still bent outta shape about people calling the vietnam conflict the vietnam war

i think both sides are doing the right thing

Thanks ******, now I have to take an unimaginable amount of showers after watching that.

That this is the view the western world largely endorses literally makes me want to blow my brains out.

when i was studying at bigshot university, they taught me that the israel/palestine situation was enormously complex. hogwash. i'm here today to tell you that i knew better then and i still know better now

the united nations VOTED

you just don't understand DEMOCRACY

uhh...yeah...

That civilian deaths suck but if any side uses them as shields then that's war collateral.

I am in no way pro IDF. Israeli's entire campaign is horseshit and they should be sanctioned but that ain't happening.

okay

2006 netphoria where we get riled up at sppunk's opinion.

so riled right now

i'm riley riled

riley cyrus

Nobody here is doing shit about it anyway so suck my fat tits all of you.

True, however state army and killing kids are two things they condemn. It's absolutely hypocritical on my part, but I'd wish more Jews would use Gaza to show that they don't agree with everything Israel does.

I possess the power to solve this whole problem from my armchair, but I choose not to act upon it! Mwaaaahahaha.

"use gaza"

hoooooooly shit

I don't feel like I know enough about this nuanced and heated subject to have an opinion. I hope for peace one day!

Yes. Use the attention Gaza is getting right now.
Excuse me for taking every chance there is when people actually give a fuck about something that's not happening on their backyard to get it in their brains that being Jewish does not come with a condoning-Israel-no-matter-what-tag.
I'm not used to clean "Hitler was right - kill the Jews, free Palestine" paintings, and I don't want to get used to it either.

here is what white supremacy looks like

stop making these posts. this isn't 1998 and you aren't on somethingawful

it's like we're just echoing the same arguments we've had for 10 years as we circle down the drain, each year less and less into it

"civilian casualties suck"

iirc sppunk is also the guy who accepts public shootings as being an unavoidable hazard of living in america

I agree it is important to emphasize when possible that being Jewish does not equal being an Israeli nationalist, or a Jewish nationalist. To be honest after going to Israel I have been having a much harder time figuring the conflict out. It just took everything I thought about the situation and threw a bunch of emotions into it and made it unsolvably complicated.

For Hamas and other anti-Israel Arab groups, the conflict is about throwing the oppressor off their land, but it has manifested largely as visceral race hatred. Hamas really is just a terrorist organization, and make no mistake, they absolutely do use civilians as human shields on purpose by putting weapons in schools and hospitals. I feel deeply for any innocent people who are killed in any conflict, but there is a strand of anti-Israel sentiment in the US and elsewhere I am sure that has pinned Israel as being entirely at fault... Hamas really is an evil bunch of sons of bitches.

Israel's media standing is also very tough to work through. Many liberals who are critical of Israel often talk about how biased the global media is in Israel's favor, and I think there is a lot of evidence for that, for instance WaPo reporting 27 dead Israelis in huge letters on the front page the other day and then in tiny print below it 500 something dead in Palestine. Another example, the curriculum in the county I teach in boils down the conflict to the Jews and Muslims hating each other and not being able to live with each other on land they think is religiously endowed to them. However, most Israelis would be appalled to hear this, as the majority of Jewish Israelis would not agree at all that the conflict is about them hating Muslims or wanting to deny them access to the Holy Land. And in some respects this is true, the conflict is much more about race and religion to Hamas than it is to Israel. Not that there isn't a lot of Israeli racism aimed at Palestinians, but in their minds they are at eternal war because of a security dilemma. The dominant belief in Israel is that they have been vilified by the global media, and honestly I think there is a lot of evidence to support this narrative too. The conflict receives more media attention than almost any other ongoing conflict in the world, and in the grand scheme of things the number of people Israel is killing to disable Hamas' ability to strike is very small compared to civilians killed by all sorts of governments and organizations all the time in places Western media mostly has no interest in. Most Israelis also are frustrated because their government is constantly criticized for acting the same way any other government would in such a security dilemma, and sadly I think that is true. The US government killed possibly HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent people to get to Osama bin Laden (this including our pit stop in Iraq) and the Western media has been all but totally silent on civilian casualties of the Bush wars.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

the other thing is that the issues is so charged at this point it's difficult to open dialogue about it. Rereading my post above I found myself feeling afraid someone would read it as apologetic of Israel's murdering Palestinians en masse to get to a few bad guys. I do not support Israel's policies towards Palestine in any way shape or form, I was just trying to emphasize that the conflict is insanely hard to work through and cannot be boiled down to a bunch of entitled angry white people killing brown children. This plays into a narrative that I think is just as deceptive and reductive and ultimately fucking useless to explain or fix the situation as the propaganda coming from Netanyahu's ilk

i wanted the news not the weather

say it don't spray it