these are great questions, but i'd like to know why you blame obama and this nebulous concept of "obamacare" (a conservative buzzphrase for the ACA that "liberals" like Futureboy further extended to make it some kind of pejorative catch all for a multifaceted program with a lot of ins and a lot of outs) instead of the private insurance companies that are literally profiting from human misery

further, again, the fact that half of the states have denied the expansion of medicare is why A LOT of the people you feel are being victimized are actually being victimized

one of the reasons the declination of expansion of medicaid is such a slam dunk for GOP states is because they know people will blame obama for the fact that they don't have access to affordable care, and you're feeding directly into that misconception

so at what point would the launch window close, like next year or something

drugs are bad trots

like i said, ultimately the for-profit health industry is the issue as well as the fact that general americans are terrified of socialized medicine

perhaps the failures of obamacare will open that discussion more, perhaps it won't, but ultimately a lot of the things obama is being held accountable for are systemic problems that extend well beyond his grasp

10 million people were insured early in the year you fucking idiot

No, it makes perfect sense. If I had to go through any of the plans in the market place, I would not get the medication or coverage I need. Thankfully, I don't have to, but what about other people?

Medicaid expansion goes on the ballot this fall, and will be left up to the people to decide.

so it's still going then, let me know when it ends

it did close. and it was a success. and you're fucking retarded

your experience isn't universal, for one thing

and second, well shit mostly it's the first thing. but still, you're complaining about the high cost of something they didn't ever have access to at all before. Further, ultimately the people being "hurt" by obamacare are the young & healthy, and the people who benefit are mostly the old, poor, and people with chronic conditions and other situations. I'm sure there are exceptions but there's going to be outliers for everything. i'm not discounting their experience but ultimately it's a systemic problem, not a result of the grim specter of "obmacare"

So, I'm still not certain how you act as if this is somekind of universal truth that the fact that you couldn't get cheaper care through the marketplace means that everyone in the country is getting fucked...it's just not true and it's coming out of conservative propaganda machines (like alex jones and infowars) that you often get sucked into for some reason

yeah my service industry buddies now need to cough up like 200 a month or more that they didn't have to before because of the ACA, but ultimately why isn't their place of employment contributing like mine is? Again, systemic exploitation of labor, not "obamacare"

and it will be rejected because obama and socialism

ok thanks

Those are some great questions.... and I'd love to know what is going to be done to fix the problems.

I'm not against medicaid expansion, I never was. BUT, I have said that medicaid offers poor care, and I stand by that. Medicaid is the same thing as what I had growing up on tribal health... and I've watched too many die on it, from poor care and poor outcomes, and a lot of the doctors who accept it, are not that great either.

This act is not going to stop insurance companies from profiting from human misery.

I think debating all of the reasons I don't like Obama (and it's not just health care issues) is a waste of time.

you feel better order, been sitting on that for a while huh champ

yeah lets just trash the program because it doesn't benefit you

spoken like true conservatives

no prob dumbass

Do you know how many people in America have multiple sclerosis and need expensive drugs that they will not be able to access through the market place?

The only drugs available right now is Copaxone and Rebif, but neurologists do not prescribe those as much anymore because they are older, and do not work as well.

My problem is common..... and if people with ms cannot get the care they need through the marketplace, they will go without it, especially if they cannot afford another plan outside of that.

That's one example for you. I haven't even gotten into the cancer medications and experimental treatments no longer offered.

This has not just hurt the young and healthy. It's hurting people who can no longer afford their insurance premiums...

Thank you for assuming that my information (which is based on what I see on the job) is all based on Alex Jones and infowars. :rolleyes:

Are you talking to me?

well that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water

this thing does A LOT of good for people, but you seem not to even give it that much credit, apparently because the marketplace didn't save you any money.

No kidding. America's social programs suck, that's not the fault of the social program itself. You're using personal experiences to justify conservative narratives. Instead of being mad at the people who make medicaid suck, you're mad at medicaid itself. A fat, rich white guy smiles in his leather bound chair somewhere when he reads things like this.

i'm not here endorsing obama, i'm just getting really sick of people complaining about something that they seem not to understand

and it's not about pointing out how it under-serves people or its shortcomings, that would be productive, it seems more like you ultimately want it repealed for a lot of emotional reasons that fall apart under scrutiny

ultimately i think you don't like this because you can't see how it benefits you directly

ultimately why i think FB doesn't like it is because he is a cynical dickhead

absolutely

do you know how much you sound like a republican?

still blaming the marketplace for this

what would occur without the marketplace

i'd love for you to get into cancer treatment and the ACA.

for the last time, how is this the ACA's fault and not the insurance industry

i mean seriously starla, what is the alternative? how has the marketplace made it "worse" than the pre-ACA status quo?

This wasn't about ME. It's about how it affects OTHERS. I'm giving my experience as an example for what MANY OTHERS are facing.

Social programs SUCK .... I want to see better for everyone. Even if the act is just a beginning, we have one hell of a long way to go to address all of the new problems created by it.

You're the one bringing politics in to this in regards to my posts, where all I have discussed is the problems with health care alone.

I'm not upset with this program because it doesn't benefit ME. Do you really think I'm a selfish person or what?

still haven't told me exactly how the ACA has created these problems for others, one of the things was that marketplace insurance doesn't provide coverage for certain drug treatment

on the other hand, if there was no ACA or the marketplace they wouldn't even have a fucking option AT ALL

republican scum

no, but you led with that example so i can't help but hammer on it

ultimately i think you are a leftist that cares about people, but you place the blame on the wrong culprits

I'd like for you to do the research on your own, because anything I present here might come from info wars.

don't deny you dip into that pond from time to time

Launch would be the first open enrollment period. Its like you define shit strictly to support you fox news argument

I think I place the blame on anyone responsible, from dems to repubs. I really wish politics wasn't involved in health care. It shouldn't be.

I think people who do not work in health care, don't understand how much this has hurt others, because they don't see the denials, and the programs/medicines/treatments/surgeries that medicaid or marketplace plans won't cover.

Ultimately, how will expanded medicaid stay afloat and will people get what they need. Those are my concerns....

I don't read info wars. Do you honestly take me as someone who believes everything I read? As much as I have joked on this forum about conspiracies... seriously?