Who is the bigger punchline? Ralph Nader or Ross Perot?
 

Nader ran for president at the age of 74 so I'm going to say him

i think it is gross that people regard nader as a joke
i mean his later candidacies are, but i'm basically permanently disgusted at everyone who blamed him for Gore's loss and the subsequent killing of the only left of democrat third party that was starting to get taken seriously

i dunno
probably i'm gonna just try to move to seattle and throw all my hopes behind kshama sawant

i don't think nader was ever much of a "joke"? never stood a chance but perot was always lampooned on SNL and such. "I QUIT"

the joke is that we had a third party that somehow "cost" us an Al Gore presidency (which only would have been a good thing in comparison to Bush) but at the same time voting third party is "meaningless"
so now nader and the green party are a laughingstock footnote and to make it worse the closest thing to an important third party is the angry white psychopath libertarians

Nadar ruined any chance the Greens ever had at becoming a serious national party. They should have done what Teapublicans have done and created a block within the Democratic party to swing the party toward their issues.

Third parties will always fail in the US if their goal is to hold national office on their own ticket. The only way to do that is to have a national organization.

Nader was lampooned on SNL too. Bill Hader played him.

HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT AT THE AGE OF 74. Need I say more.

only idiots think nader cost gore the election though. the numbers just aren't there

we've talked about it before but i think american politics are aligned in such a way it just naturally runs in two directions. you can say, yeah we need a more liberal party, but it's just going to get absorbed into the democrat platform at some point. just like how the tea baggers can't escape the republican label even though they fight tooth and nail to pry away from "establishment republicans" and even costing themselves vital elections in the process

like i said it just naturally runs in two directions, and it's more or less always been like that. i think the last "legit" 3rd party candidate was teddy roosevelt. and he lost pretty handily

People prefer things to be black and white. Gray is scary.

Or maybe it's just Americans that prefer things in black and white. That would explain a lot.

maybe you should make a dipshit personality test to prove this

off topic

the two parties are pretty much just broad parliamentary coalitions. instead of having a bunch of parties addressing specific interests like in other countries we have two umbrellas covering both sides of the specturm. not that that's good or bad, but it is what it is

actually you kind of do

Didn't Amanda Bynes play Ross Perot on All That?

i don't know. i was born in 97

between the two, I suppose Nader. Perot had a legitimate shot at winning and upon further review was 1000% correct about NAFTA.

I was originally gonna say that but then figured I shouldn't.

but yeah it's confusing if you have more than two parties to consider. I mean when theres two you don't even need to follow the elections, you know in general what they stand for so you can just not bother with following this whole thing and just vote for what you always voted. Bring other parties in and suddenly you have to figure out what they're all about and who's got time for that.

did anyone say catherine wheel yet

what's with this socialist shit



By the way you buttwhores you realize getting the min wage up this high is only cutting into the middle class more...like i basically make this amount right now. do you think that if they raised the minimum wage I'd also get a wage rage? no? Of course not...

raising the min wage is just another way to put the clamps on the middle class. what good does it do to fix that inequality. congrats now everyone is on minimum wage great work

i'd never want to hurt people making $8 an hour by raising their wages

How will they learn to pull themselves up it they keep getting free raises?

i voted for nader when i was a dumb 18 year old and i plan on never voting in an election again
so that's kind of funny right there

why do you deserve a higher wage than someone who is now making $8/hr? sounds like you should be happy for them to me. the point is that minimum wage shouldn't leave you in poverty in the first place. it will take some time to self correct itself where non-entry level jobs like yours make more money than the new min wage, but it has to happen sometime or shit will never get fixed.

Well you see reprise, he's earned it and they haven't so it would only be fair for him to make more than people who don't deserve $15/hr...

yeah i guess you guys don't get it

it won't though, if that's the already established "minimum wage" then there's a whole host of things wrong and unjust about this system...

but seriously, whatever. you know when you specifically get a pay raise out of it i guess why would you try and consider anyone else's feelings about it

yeah, all i can think about is me, that's for sure. :rolleyes:

your feelings seem like basically "it's not fair!" and that's a shitty reason to deny people a living wage

basically i think you should be fighting for a better wage for yourself and not begrudging people for getting a raise to your pay when everyone deserves to make a decent living.

what's your solution, keep wages shitty? for the record, I think $15/hr is stretching it, but $8 an hour or whatever is ridiculous

what does "deserve" have to do with minimum standards of living?

to me, my board

you know what i mean. it should be viewed as a basic right.

yes exactly

but i mean it's quite a popular argument in favour of keeping people poor, i find

but then again, it's a choice, isn't it? like being gay.

damn it trots you're being an idiot in this thread.

Bill Hader as Nader

https://screen.yahoo.com/ralph-nader-000000938.html

Is this a serious post

Ross Perot funded a kick-ass natural science museum in Dallas, so I can forget the political absurdity. Also, SNL was so great that year.

Nader isn't even a good joke.

I was going to mention the museum! That was cool of him. What has Nader ever done?!

a fuckton relating to consumer protection, actually

that's boring.