this Woody Allen shit
 

what do you guys think? I just got called a rape cheerleader and a rape apologist on facebook for suggesting there was too much contradicting evidence to choose sides.

everyone should be totally squicked by the fact that he married his step-daughter 40 years his junior.

why his career didn't end at that point, i'm not sure.

love this though

On Father's Day 2012, Ronan Farrow tweeted "Happy Father's day – or as they call it in my family, happy brother-in-law's day."

its easy to pile on but lets be honest.. nobody knows how she was dressed that day

i wonder what banana thinks

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kickin dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Yi at the playoff game, holdin hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?

yeah and the soon-yi thing really make it seem more like woody won a PR battle against farrow, and is actually guilty as sin

edit: haha what the hell am i saying i need sleep

i dunno, listen to black on both sides

maybe he did do it (actually seems likely, yeah?) but I just don't think it's ok to go ahead and damn the guy when the evidence doesn't fall clearly either way.

What I am being educated about on facebook though, is that in cases of rape we should actually always assume guilty until proven innocent because that shows sympathy towards victims and otherwise you are a rape apologist. Also, it is impossible to not choose sides. Because if you say you can't choose, you are a rape apologist.

the soon yi thing is really abhorrent no matter how you cut it. a 56 year old marrying a 19 year old is really really weird but, in many circumstances, defensible. he married his adopted step daughter, as a principal male role model in her life. that's fucked up. and that behavior is consistent with someone who grooms their victims into thinking their relationship is consensual.

saw this quote another forum. never seen the film but other members seem to think it's a pretty accurate assesment of the film.

Woody never adopted Soon Yi

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bread regal all that may be true, but that's still not really evidence in any way that he raped dylan farrow. the guy is kind of a deviant and that is known, therefore any crime he is accused of must be true? That just doesn't make sense, especially when you think about how flimsy burden of proof already is in the US system because you let mentally vacant people be jurors. I just really believe in not damning anyone without evidence that paints a narrative beyond reasonable doubt.

you guys might think I am painting my detractors badly when I say I am being told that in cases of rape guilty until proven innocent is the best policy, but there are literally people telling me that. and also if you don't agree you are pro rape and have no sympathy for rape victims

I have a lot of questions about it myself.

marrying your ex-wife's 19 year old daughter is beyond deviance. it is behavior consistent with someone who is a kiddie diddler.

like, i understand your point. innocent until proven guilty. but the reality is that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before reaching adulthood and less than 10% of rape accusations are proven false. when you factor in behavior like his relationship with soon-yi, he absolutely does fit the profile of a kiddie diddler.

if i were to bet on it, i'd say he did it.

well especially when there were allegations that woody was already stickin it to soon-yi when she was 16 or so

has anyone done that to you in this thread i mean seriously

DONT CENSOR ME

If I had to guess, I would probably guess the same. I still don't see any of this as compelling evidence.

no, and sorry for coming off so hotheaded. It just really bothered me. I know it's stupid, but I don't hate women and I am not a "rape apologist" and being labeled as such because I don't think rape trumps the regular way we treat accused people just really got under my skin

i got so much of that here during the Great Charm Offensive of 2012 that it barely registers to me anymore

yeah, anyone who admitted to enjoying porn was subjected to that. this bothered me more because the issue is about actual rape that really might have happened, not some beyond extremist nonsense that all sex is rape or whatever trash she was spewing.

if you posted a picture of corrin tucker because you think she's beautiful you were subjected to that

Guys. Guys.

he has a bunch of really fantastic films. he probably molested a minor at least in some capacity at some point

fact is you don't really know shit about the personal lives (or dark pasts) of any of the artists you admire, not really

you are a rape apologist!

sandusky was a really good defensive coach too

I think Dylan is telling the truth about being molested, the question I have is, was it Woody or was it Mia's brother who has been into trouble for molesting a child.

Didn't know about that.

Weird to be reminded that 20 years ago a court apparently didn't give a fuck if a child has been molested. Mia brought it up when they got divorced, nothing happened other than that he lost custody rights. Today a child psychologist would at least spend 15 minutes to talk to a 7 year old to make a decision if the allegations should be persued or not.

yeah there were charges brought against woody allen but he was acquitted on lack of evidence. A psychological examination was done on dylan farrow and it was reported that there was strong evidence she had been coached. so go figure. evidence both ways, can't decide. Guess I'm a fucking rapist

Dammit, what kind of shit media have I been reading again. The article said she wasn't examined as a kid.

This coaching thing is tricky, whatever happened. How do you prepare your child to be asked about awful shit it can't possibly comprehend by a stranger? "Did he xy?" - might already suggest something that isn't really accurate.

What happens now anyway? Over 20 years, can rape accusations after such a period even go to court in the US? Or is it one ugly media battle - her word against his - until both are sufficiently judged and taken apart by the general public?

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how do use delte button

First degree felonies have no statute of limitations in many, if not most, states. And rape on a minor under 12 years old is a first degree felony in Florida, and similar crimes probably are in other states (might be different age cutoffs or whatever).

There is no question in my mind that Dylan got molested. If she reported it spontaneously originally (which according to her she did), there is absolutely no reason to think it's not true. Human memory is is of course not only fallible, but malleable. That is something I've had to accept about my own memory. So some details of the abuse are almost certainly factually incorrect, because remembering something also includes the memory of remembering it previously - if you get what I'm saying - and confabulation happens to everyone. But if we just look at the major charge - the Allen molested her - I think it's overwhelming likely that he did.

How can people be so absolutely certain? Do you know her, have you talked to her? You are basing your psycholigical evaluation on an open letter and newspaper articles.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting she wasn't. But how anybody could say "I'm SURE she was or she wasn't" by reading a few pages goes straight over my head.


Edit: I wrote that while you added to your post, reprise. Now I get it, okay.

And did I understand that correctly, no limitation and first degree means Allen is facing a proper trial?

i support woody's pedophilia, but not his films. separate the art from the artist

he could but no prosecution would ever bother ... unless it was filmed or she had a stained dress or whatever would link to her being molested

my 2 cents is he's a creep and probably did it. if it walks like a duck, ect. but it's also possible mia put ideas in her head. unlikely, but possible

Reprise, how will she be able to remember as "clearly" as possible?

Years ago I met a woman, mid twenties. She went through hell and back battling with her own memory. Comparable situation (at least I think it's comparable), she was a year younger, 6, when she got molested at home. Her mother found her, deeply disturbed of course, and was sure it must have been her husband's cousin who was staying with them.
The woman I talked to said she was sure her entire life that it was indeed that man (who went to jail for it.) Until she had a long talk with her father, as an adult. He was drunk and apologized for having molested her. She had years of therapy until her mind brought back little peaces of clear memories of her father.