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slunken 05-16-2013 12:11 AM

would that depend on how micro or macro scopically you want to look at it?

slunken 05-16-2013 12:14 AM

to clarify - i thought america was known for its movies and television and hollywood was the epicenter for all of that. our superstars are the world's superstars. it is rarely the other way around.

i don't know much about tv/film so i'm honestly asking here.

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 12:14 AM

i just hate america

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by slunken (Post 3987747)
our superstars are the world's superstars. it is rarely the other way around.

a lot of these superstars are australian, english, and canadian

also this is a cultural confirmation bias

bollywood doesn't give a fuck about tom cruise

slunken 05-16-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 3987748)
i just hate america

who in their right mind wouldn't?

slunken 05-16-2013 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 3987749)
a lot of these superstars are australian, english, and canadian

also this is a cultural confirmation bias

bollywood doesn't give a fuck about tom cruise

yea but bollywood (i too was thinking of this specifically) has always been known for ripping off popular american culture a few years too late. especially the music.

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 12:22 AM

i don't know what we're arguing at this point because isn't that just because of american cultural primacy and not necessarily anything about quality? i mean obvs the american entertainment industry has produced classics and excellence but very often that's usually a combination of a lot of english speaking talent from across the western world.

I mean besides the fact that modern cinema was inspired and built on the french new wave and the vast majority of "good" stuff was built onthe work of Kurosawa, Godard, Fellini, and scores of other non-americans?

i mean if you're talking about tom cruise movies and shit i mean i guess

slunken 05-16-2013 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 3987756)

I mean besides the fact that modern cinema was inspired and built on the french new wave and the vast majority of "good" stuff was built onthe work of Kurosawa, Godard, Fellini, and scores of other non-americans?

i mean if you're talking about tom cruise movies and shit i mean i guess

the world cares about tom cruise. not those other guys you mentioned with funny names.

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 12:39 AM

okay so he's popular what does that legitimize

Rider 05-16-2013 12:46 AM

about 2/3rds of what the networks have made for the last four decades is just remakes of British shows.

Everything from All in the Family to Big Brother was made somewhere else first.

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 12:53 AM

sanford and son

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 01:27 AM

back to the topic at hand:

http://pastebin.com/Sm865BWi

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If this place isn't a money laundering operation, I don't know what is.

Sammy screamed 'Don't call the police'. This was one of the only things he really stood up to his wife on. I think Sammy is involved in serious criminal shit and he doesn't want Johnny Law to come poking around and causing any disruptions to the money losing business here. I’m not sure if the fact that they don’t trust anyone else to run the place has anything to do with that, or whether they’re just nuts. If they were smarter, I feel like they could let it run itself. See point #4 for a possible reason for that.

The place is clearly hemorrhaging money. All those fresh veggies come at a huge premium in Arizona and no one is buying them since no one eats there. This is a tactic to inflate food costs and make the on-the-books profits (from crime) a bit more believable. You have high prices and ‘quality ingredients’ and on its face, it looks like a classy place dealing in high-quality, high-margin food that’s doing very, very well. In reality, they’re buying top-dollar with dirty money and selling nothing.

Putting all of that money into the facilities, kitchen equipment and the dining area is a way to build tangible equity in a property, paid for by dirty money, of course. This is similar to how house flipping has become the new Las Vegas for cleaning dirty money. Even if you put 100k of criminal money into a house and sell it for 80k, you still made 80k in clean money (and the write off for the business loss – more clean money). And what you ask is Sammi’s other ‘legitimate’ business enterprise? Custom home building. Same fucking principle: Build equity in something tangible with dirty money, sell it (at a loss or profit, who gives a fuck) and money comes clean out the other side.

The compensation structure for servers is just another money cleaning tactic. The money from tips never hits the books. It’s pocketed immediately and spent on gas, food, clothes etc. All the sorts of stuff that is bought in a day that isn’t traced and is used up (burned, eaten, thrown out etc.) when it’s done. You keep the clean, un-traceable cash coming in (tips), and then pay out more money in wages to lose money so that the money that comes in from crime doesn’t make the place look TOO profitable. If they weren’t so wretched and money hungry they would just let the girls work on tips like most people, but they’re so narcissistic, deluded and downright evil that they think they’re entitled to it and don’t know when to stop.

They are mean to people because well, they’re nuts, but also because Sammy doesn’t actually give much of a fuck if many people come in or not. If a few quiet, agreeable customers come in and eat, so be it. For Sammy, this place is an annoyance. He hates being there and knows it’s a waste of his legitimate criminal time to have to deal with it. He was just stupid and married a crazy ‘trophy wife’ who thinks she can cook and the less he has to do in a day in terms of dealing with angry customers, the better. Hell, he might have married her BECAUSE he thought she was stupid enough to believe she’s making money when no one comes in. To me that’s why a lot of that bad food is just thrown away; otherwise she gets crazy and causes more disruptions to the fence.

Ever wonder why he doesn’t know how to use the POS system, but insists on using it? Because one day one of those girls is going to see ALL of these tables and checks listed on there that never actually came in, and then she’ll ask why. Since she knows more about the system than he, she won’t buy the lie he tells her. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a small part of the reason for the staff turnover: They don’t want anyone knowing too much.

Because the thing is, at the end of the day, he can just make up checks and bills and act like all these customers came in and paid them lots of money for food, but just as long as the place isn’t completely empty all the time and then reporting big profits, there shouldn’t be any huge red flags so as long as the taxes keep coming into the IRS and the place keeps a quiet reputation.

EDIT: Everyone is asking how I reconcile them going on tv for help.

Remember, Amy thinks her problem is not her food, their shared attitude, their sparse staff or her creepy eyes. It's internet haters. That's it. She is perfect in every way. She feels the downturn in her business is due solely to bad publicity. For people with such grandiose self-images, the only way to deal with this would be to go to the very top and have the biggest chef in the world come and say that their food is amazing. Bad publicity problem solved. Note too, those awesome desserts she fed Ramsey, that he really liked, were all store bought. But she claimed they were hers. She does not care about the food in that sense, as she's willing to lie about that as the first step to the good publicity that she thinks is the silver bullet to fixing what she feels to be unjustifiably tarnished public image.

From Sammy's perspective, I think he's willing to take the small risk of having the cover blown on any laundering operation to sustain a good front and, like his wife, to try to, in his mind, restore the deservedly good reputation the place should rightly have. If he can somehow appease his wife, who I believe has him convinced she can cook, and keep the restaurant full so he doesn't need to butcher the receipts so much, he might be able to stop doing shady shit altogether or at least have a better front. Then, if the restaurant is running well, he can leave it for someone else to operate and he can stay home and watch Scarface 50 times.

Essentially, I think HIS willingness to take this risk is rooted in their shared delusions about their own self values and they are willing to take the most drastic of measures to keep them as high as possible.

Order 66 05-16-2013 01:29 AM

i'm watching the full video for the first time right now. the look on gordon's face before entering the kitchen is priceless... like a lost child

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 01:36 AM

he's actually impressed with their cleanliness and organization of the walk-in but tbh that was probably done specifically for him

Mo 05-16-2013 02:43 AM

The very first thing out of there mouths was already a lie.

"Those [cakes] look lovely. Did you make them yourselves?"
- "Yes."

Mo 05-16-2013 02:44 AM

I also love how Ramsey continuously calls the waiters "darling" and "honey", like the pimp of a cook he is.

Starla 05-16-2013 04:24 AM

Thanks for getting me hooked on this trots. Also watched the one with the belly dancer whose chef was serving up some nasty looking slop :[

Starla 05-16-2013 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Order 66 (Post 3987774)
i'm watching the full video for the first time right now. the look on gordon's face before entering the kitchen is priceless... like a lost child

How about the scene where Amy fires that poor waitress for nothing. Her eyes looked like they were shooting darts.

duovamp 05-16-2013 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 3987773)
back to the topic at hand:

http://pastebin.com/Sm865BWi

Waaaaaaaaaaaay too elaborate and complicated to be true. This guy has side jobs that pay him. Nobody creates an expensive front... The equity building (it's actually equity creating, not building) mentioned is senseless. Liquid capital from a dirty source to build a shitty eatery to hide its source? Whoever made that conjecture is a moron. It's too much trouble for zero gain, like an Omega Concern villain.

duovamp 05-16-2013 04:56 AM

"I got 30k to buy kitchen supplies so I can sell it for 30k and tell people I got 30k from selling assets!"

"Well where did that first influx of cash originate, sir?"

"Uh..."

Rider 05-16-2013 10:12 AM

He screamed at his wife not to call the cops because he knew he was the one breaking the law. You can't grab and restrain customers at all. I know people who have won nice settlements over that stuff.

Also I've worked in restaurants that were money laundering. I can tell you this place is not one of them. In those places the owner is never there, the owner would never be on an international TV show. The owner would not care that he was losing money and the last thing the owner would ever do is get in highly visible public screaming matches with customers. If they were money laundering for someone the first round of media attention 3 years ago would have gotten this place shuttered.

These are just two highly deluded individuals.

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Starla (Post 3987806)
How about the scene where Amy fires that poor waitress for nothing. Her eyes looked like they were shooting darts.

I'm pretty sure she decided she wanted to be fired on national television and also wanted to demonstrate how little it took to make Amy flip the fuck out.

When she said "Are you sure?" there was this little smirk on her face like she knew she was hitting a big red button Amy's forehead marked "CRAZY"

i mean she didn't really do anything that servers across the country don't do every day, but she knew it was going to set amy off i'm pretty sure.

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by duovamp (Post 3987811)
Waaaaaaaaaaaay too elaborate and complicated to be true. This guy has side jobs that pay him. Nobody creates an expensive front... The equity building (it's actually equity creating, not building) mentioned is senseless. Liquid capital from a dirty source to build a shitty eatery to hide its source? Whoever made that conjecture is a moron. It's too much trouble for zero gain, like an Omega Concern villain.

yeah i think it's basically disproved by being on television, but i don't know how laundering works

thanks resident jew bankster

vixnix 05-16-2013 10:30 AM

Gordon Ramsay is a guilty pleasure...he has so many shows. He's actually not the best chef and he's not that knowledgeable either but he's very easy on the eyes and he's entertaining so that's enough for me.

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 10:31 AM

he is p. handsome

duovamp 05-16-2013 10:32 AM

That's why they call me Jewcash Q. McGangster.

duovamp 05-16-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 3987853)
he is p. handsome

This. :(

Trotskilicious 05-16-2013 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by duovamp (Post 3987854)
That's why they call me Jewcash Q. McGangster.

"I AM A GANGSTER. YOU ARE ALL PUSSIES. MY WIFE IS A JEWEL IN THE DESERT."

duovamp 05-16-2013 10:36 AM

Because he's brown and wealthy and sounds funny he must be a criminal.

Also because he steals little girls' money. Nukka's a legit hardass mufug.

SlingeroGuitaro 05-16-2013 11:28 AM

this is the greatest thing i have ever seen.


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