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Tchocky 11-16-2012 11:18 AM

SILLY CUSTOMER! YOU CANNOT HURT A TWINKIE!!
 
...unless Hostess goes under, which it has. :(

http://money.cnn.com/m/#!/2012/11/16...ategory=Latest News

MyOneAndOnly 11-16-2012 11:30 AM

This is it

Eulogy 11-16-2012 11:33 AM

twinkies will still be around, guys.

Tchocky 11-16-2012 11:49 AM

The Mayans were right.

duovamp 11-16-2012 12:54 PM

I was hoping this was a thread about twinks. :/

Raskolnikov 11-16-2012 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eulogy (Post 3932248)
twinkies will still be around, guys.

I seriously hope some other brand buys the recipe/brand from them for all of their products. A world without mini donettes just isn't worth living in. What makes you say that they'll stick around somehow?

Crumb ones are seriously one of my all-time favorite junk foods.


killtrocity 11-16-2012 03:27 PM

all of that shit is fucking garbage unfit for human consumption

and what's up with that scroll bar? can't even read the shitty thing

yo soy el mejor 11-16-2012 04:16 PM

i ain't ever had a twinkie no how.

Rider 11-16-2012 04:36 PM

Most transparent Union busting move ever. I'm sure next month we will be buying our twinkies from one of the giant multinationals from the same exact lines staffed by non-union workers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupo_Bimbo

They have bought every other mass produced baked good chain, so I don't see why they won't just add hostess to the list of 300 brands they own.

Nimrod's Son 11-16-2012 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killtrocity (Post 3932290)
all of that shit is fucking garbage unfit for human consumption

and what's up with that scroll bar? can't even read the shitty thing

my guess is it was posted from a mobile device

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/16/news...ing/index.html

no goatse

Nimrod's Son 11-16-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider (Post 3932309)
Most transparent Union busting move ever. I'm sure next month we will be buying our twinkies from one of the giant multinationals from the same exact lines staffed by non-union workers.

the bakers should have thought about that before they struck. when you strike, sometimes you lose.

Toast 11-16-2012 05:22 PM

Good thing the Union was there to protect these peoples jobs.

Rider 11-16-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son (Post 3932315)
the bakers should have thought about that before they struck. when you strike, sometimes you lose.

I think it was the NY Times who said it, sometimes there is no one to blame it's just a crappy company doomed to failure.

This is one of those always bigger fish in an even bigger pond problems.

duovamp 11-16-2012 09:16 PM

Well the teamsters agreed to their terms but the bakers held out... idk.

Elvis The Fat Years 11-16-2012 09:45 PM

i got yer cream fillin right here

*violent pelvic thrust x3

duovamp 11-16-2012 11:02 PM

cum on my face

slunken 11-17-2012 12:03 PM

i get it!

The Omega Concern 11-17-2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

originally posted by duovamp:

Well the teamsters agreed to their terms but the bakers held out... idk


is that so. this won't be the only company to crumble under the mandate of Obamacare, btw. Even the teamsters can see the math.

duovamp 11-17-2012 12:38 PM

lol

MyOneAndOnly 11-17-2012 12:41 PM

the company was poorly run for decades. Squeezing the union out was a last ditch move. The Hostess brand put little or no effort into product innovation for the better part of the last two decades. The brand became stale and a joke. Other brands simple took their market share, and younger consumers stopped buying their products.

When the "liquidate" the company some or all of the product/brand portfolio will be sold or transferred. My guess is that another arm of the holding company that owns them will end up with some of their products, or another brand will buy it up. In some instances retailers like Walmart have even bought deceased brands.

the end result, though, is that the people who spent their lives making Hostess snacks are going to pay dearly for the bad decisions of the companies leaders. I'm betting everyone at the top gets a golden parachute.

MyOneAndOnly 11-17-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern (Post 3932529)
is that so. this won't be the only company to crumble under the mandate of Obamacare, btw. Even the teamsters can see the math.

if you were only a troll you'd be brilliant. Alas, that is not the case. For a real troll does not believe his own bullshit.

killtrocity 11-17-2012 05:19 PM

http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Organizin...tion-on-Strike

Quote:

The recent claim by Hostess CEO Greg Rayburn that our strike is the reason for the closure of the three bakeries is simply not true. That statement is a continuation of a disturbing pattern by the company of issuing public statements that are erroneous at best and disingenuous at worst.

Our members rejected the company’s outrageous proposal by 92 percent in September. Rejection came from every corner of the country. They were being asked to vote on a proposal with massive concessions, knowing that their plant could very well be one of those to be closed.

Our members are on strike because they have had enough. They are not willing to take draconian wage and benefit cuts on top of the significant concessions they made in 2004 and give up their pension so that the Wall Street vulture capitalists in control of this company can walk away with millions of dollars.

Future Boy 11-17-2012 10:23 PM

yeah, take that vultures

Trotskilicious 11-18-2012 09:11 PM

watched a report on this on cbs this morning and they didn't even talk to a union official to get their side but they did get a nice shitty quote from CEO Shitbag Shitsmear blaming the strike for the closing

also to the guy bemoaning the loss of donettes uh everyone in the snack cake industry makes those

hnibos 11-18-2012 10:12 PM

I don't understand why people can't understand CEO's earn those millions. If it weren't for them, you wouldn't have a job!!!!

Trotskilicious 11-18-2012 10:15 PM

we have to protect the sanctity of the job creators and relentlessly blame labor for everything because we are from a gated community and still live with our parents

hnibos 11-18-2012 10:23 PM

Romney has an impressive business career and with the economy the way it is now it's really a no brainer he should be president.

Trotskilicious 11-18-2012 10:23 PM

yeah the american people really fucked up

all these minorities want something handed to them, not a racist comment just talk to some blacks and mexicans at the bus stop

hnibos 11-18-2012 10:25 PM

The minorities took this country away that my grandparents built. They immigrated here to work hard and make a living. They just sit around, don't do anything at all, and expect the government to support them.

hnibos 11-18-2012 10:27 PM

They're called minorities for a reason, though. We could have turned this around but people just aren't paying attention.

Trotskilicious 11-18-2012 10:27 PM

unlike me i went to college and now collect unemployment because i was supposed to be the one to have things handed to me

hnibos 11-18-2012 10:39 PM

My parents paid for everything to make sure I get what I deserve.

killtrocity 11-19-2012 11:23 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhart...ement-failure/

Quote:

Hostess' Twinkie Defense is a Management Failure
Quote:

Hostess spent decades fighting the trend

IBC kept focusing on operating improvements and better fleet optimization to control rising costs, but the company was unwilling to do anything about the product line. To keep funding lower margins the company added debt, piling on $450M by 2004 when forced to file bankruptcy due to its inability to pay bills. For 5 years financial engineers from consultancies and investment banks worked to find a way out of bankruptcy, and settled on adding even MORE debt, so that – perversely – in 2009 the renamed Hostess had $670M of debt – at least 2/3 the total asset value!

Since then, still trying to sell the same products, margins continued declining. Hostess lost a combined $250M over the last 3 years.

The obvious problem is leadership kept trying to sell the same products, using roughly the same business model, long, long, long after the products had become irrelevant. “Demand was never an issue” a company spokesman said. Yes, people bought Twinkies but NOT at a price which would cover costs (including debt service) and return a profit. Demand statements are irrelevant if you are giving the product away!

In a last, desperate effort to keep the outdated model alive management decided the answer was another bankruptcy filing, and to take draconian cuts to wages and benefits. This is tantamount to management saying to those who sell wheat they expect to buy flour at 2/3 the market price – or to petroleum companies they expect to buy gasoline for $2.25/gallon. Labor, like other suppliers, has a “market rate.” That management was unable to run a company which could pay the market rate for its labor is not the fault of the union.

MyOneAndOnly 11-19-2012 05:17 PM

I just got word that a court has ordered Hostess to reenter talks with their union.

Looks like the company won't be shut down... at least not right away

Trotskilicious 11-19-2012 05:29 PM

wow that was from Forbes? I appreciate that defense of labor.

Trotskilicious 11-19-2012 05:31 PM

i remember what the ceo said on cbs this morning "if they don't like it they can get another job."

seriously these people can't even bother to respect the labor

Tchocky 11-19-2012 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious (Post 3933243)
i remember what the ceo said on cbs this morning "if they don't like it they can get another job."

seriously these people can't even bother to respect the labor

Nice cop-out answer, clueless CEO.

Trotskilicious 11-19-2012 06:01 PM

he doesn't have to worry much about finding another job of course so he's completely disconnected from blue collar reality

to him, you fuck up and you get tens of thousands of dollars when you leave and then your buddies get you on the board somewheres else

Trotskilicious 11-19-2012 06:01 PM

if he wants to still work because haha lets face it these guys make so much money running companies into the ground they don't ever have to work again

duovamp 11-19-2012 10:29 PM

Just go buy more money.


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