celebrities who are candidates for borderline personality disorder
 

Off the top of my head I would say

Anthony Kiedis
Old Dirty Bastard
Lindsay Lohan
The Weeknd
Bobby Brown

why?

BPD types are impulsive, promiscuous, and known for substance abuse problems

I don't know why it never occurred to be before that Brian Molko is probably a BPD type.

Don't you dare talk bad about old dirt mcguirk aka baby jesus

So guessing mental illness is a game for you, online diagnosis of people you don't know, based on your profound wiki knowledge? Please.

And btw, Molko talked again and again about his issues and meds in interviews.

What kind of joke is this thread?


Edit: nevermind, I obviously don't understand cw's humour.

Just typical cw whatever. Take it easy over there tiger. I take it you're a fan of this molko fellow

How is this any worse than the threads where people try to guess what kind of disorder Billy Corgan has? It's not a game for me. It just got me thinking about all the famous people who exhibit those characteristics.

next week: famous dogs that had irritable bowel syndrome
following week: musicians who are fond of pasta salad

dirt mcgirt

Oh shit, i fucked up

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ilikeplanets
me

yeah but a lot of people have all of those three traits and don't have BPD

if i had to pick someone it'd be courtney love but i think you're fooling yourself if you thinking you can really tell

it's not really worse but most/all of us were/are obsessed with Corgan to some degree, know all his music and hours of interviews... a little different than what you're doing here, no?

Nah, it's just the same to me. Online diagnosis of people you don't know.

Anthony Kiedis and Brian Molko are like the male versions of Courtney Love. Outgoing, uninhibited substance abusers and sex addicts.

And anyway you'll notice I said candidates which just means I think they show strong signs. I'm not actually diagnosing them.

you have a very narrow view of what borderline personality disorder is

yeah it's not any better, i agree with you there

http://www.addictionsearch.com/treat...abuse_135.html

"Many people suffering with BPD have hectic and chaotic relationships with other people and they're behaviors and the way they act appears to be impulsive. Some people with BPD display self-harming behaviors and hurt themselves."

This makes it seem as if the key characteristics of BPD is impulsive behavior. It can ******* self-harming but not necessarily.

So by bits and pieces of "information" you gather about Corgan, or Molko or xy, you are able to tell what signs/=symptoms they show, and how chaotic their relationships are?
Also drug use, especially long term, fucks up every interpretation/diagnosis really good, even for a psychiatrist talking face to face: try to figure out what came first - the so called personality disorder or the choice to take drugs.

Just something to think about.
(I start missing graveflower.)

I said earlier I'm not diagnosing people. I'm just taking information from biographies and interviews and figuring out which celebrities show signs of BPD. It's mostly done out boredom.

Yeah the choice to start taking drugs may not have anything to do with BPD. Or on other hand the disorder might cause a person to start taking drugs. It's probably not until the drug taking has become a full blown addiction that you can start connecting it with a person's personality.

I think being concerned with the informational output of someone without a validated connection is a disorder of itself.

the key characteristics are impulsive behavior, unstable relationships, self defeating behavior (with or w/o actual physical self harm), chronic feelings of emptiness and identity disturbance among other things... my point: it's about a lot more than things you can see from the outside. certainly you cant go by some random definition on the internet

actually you have this completely backwards re: full blown addiction being able to show a personality disorder. many if not most people with drug addictions show character distortions that are not reflections of actual personality disorders. PDs are ingrained patterns of living, thinking and relating to others that are pervasive and are formed by or during adolescence.

Ok but I'm just wondering if you had someone who was impulsive, in unstable relationships, displayed self defeating behavior but they weren't showing chronic feelings of emptiness could they still possibly have BPD? Or do you always have to be all of those things to have BPD?

of course you don't need to have all of them

curious how you think you can "see" chronic feelings of emptiness

i mean like with corgan you can see it in his music/lyrics

but for most people, you'd prob have no idea either way

and you can have chronic feelings of emptiness without having a PD (of course)

my point is it is much more nuanced than you seem to think

A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not ******* suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, excessive spending, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not ******* suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars or picking at oneself (excoriation).
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
Chronic feelings of emptiness
Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms

It is a requirement of DSM-IV that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.
International Classification of Disease


I don't really like BPD in general but those are the guidelines

also these things cant be caused by other illnesses - they need to be ingrained ways of living that are unaffected by medicine or current life situation, except possibly with the help of therapy

Well I would think that if someone had chronic feelings of emptiness they would at the very least have clinical depression.

This is really silly. Unless you are a psych and know what you are talking about please don't post topics like this.

You would think so but that is not always the case, a lot of times when you find that someone has chronic feelings of emptiness it could have absolutely nothing to do with clinical depression. If you look at chronic recurring major depressive disorder there is typically an underlying personality disorder that is triggering the recurring depressive state . Most people in their lifetimes will experience episodes that could be considered "depressive disorders" based on sx but that doesn't mean they have a PD. A lot of people can exhibit cluster B traits under certain circumstances without actually meeting full criteria for a PD.

I have this theory that there's really two types of BPD, 1 in which a person only really exhibits BPD sx when they're in a romantic relationship and another (and much more debilitating/obvious) when they exhibit BPD sx with most people in their lives/at work/with friends/family (and that includes poor boundaries, fear of abandonment, feelings of emptiness, extreme anger, impulsivity, self harming bx). I'm sure there are just as many celebrities with PD's as there are regular folk out there but because their lives are in the spotlight you can theorize all you want but that's all it is...your theory...and if you don't have the proper training or the credentialing or experience then honestly it doesn't really mean squat. You don't know what the person is truly like because you haven't met them in person or done a proper psych eval on them or sat with them for 100+ hours of psychotherapy...

Also, you WILL find that every non PD person has some PD traits. It's just how personalities work. I have done things in my life that are considered "against the law" that doesn't mean I have ASPD, I can certainly be an exhibitionist at times, that doesn't mean I have HPD...

When you are a celeb everything you do is magnified. Let me give you an example, I was at a Halloween party a few weeks ago and I had sex with my girlfriend in a courtyard where others in the adjacent building could've definitely seen us. Now this was a pretty impulsive/exhibitionist thing but based on my age, the newness of the relationship, the fact that we both weren't going to see each other for a bit because she was going to be out of state...and a myriad of other factors I don't think it's too outlandish (especially when you take into consideration that this is not typically how I behave). Now if I were a celebrity, and I had done the same thing, who's to say that someone wouldn't have passed by, taken a video with their phone and reported this to TMZ. Then I'd have every joe schmoe on the internet making assumptions about my mental health that are completely unfounded based on 1 impulsive act. Do you see what I'm getting at?

shut the fuck up

^

But he had courtyard secks u guys

i pretty much said mostly the same stuff as gossamer but without being too annoying i hope

I injected a research chemical. I don't recommend anyone do the same, but HOLY CRAP

ol dirt mcgirt

Why don't you start your own board about injecting stuff instead of costantly screaming for attention. I mean what are you hoping to get as an answer to your drug posts?
- giirl, don't do that, don't waste your talent buhu
or
- you cook your own meth? Hardcore man...???

Congrats, you're junkie, u make yo momma proud.

it was a psychedelic so it's not junky-worthy but um yeah random insertion into this thread