make up your own reality!

Remember the time Barack wiped his shitty taint with the Constitution? Thank God Christian neocons know its true, Biblical interpretation. One nation under GOD. Right there in the Constitution. Freedom of homomarriage? Freedom from having fucking Christmas trees everywhere? Freedom from prayer in public schools and having intelligent design in biology classrooms? That's the sick-ass socialism that civil-liberty-hating Muslim wants for America. Guy's way worse than Bush. Think of how much freer we are with the Patriot Act. Listen to the talking man, people.

i love the "When the people are willing to sacrifice the next generation for their current lifestyles..." then some nonsense about government and "pottage" and socialism.

I mean Reaganism/objectivism is all about sacrificing the future for the present because fuck you i live now and i'm awesome

when I see socialism I think of Warren Beatty in Bulworth.

wtf, del

egalitarianism? planned economy? trade unions?

really?

Yes. No. Yes.

I didn't know that to be a card-carrying member of the left, one had to support a "planned-economy." Have you heard or the Orange Book? Central-planning is value-neutral, at best. Both the right and the left have used it to further their ideologies, although I would see it as more often employed against liberalism.

no radical leftist i've ever talked to didn't support some kind of collective and more or less centralised management of production

i don't think he claimed to be radical

sounds like he's turning into a democrat actually

that makes no sense.

I was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (a leftist organization) for years and we never advocated a government run (centralized) economy of any kind.

Even liberals in the USA who support Universal Health care mostly believe in a Privately run and operated health care system.

there are virtually no American Leftists advocating state run economies (here in the US nor most of the Western world)

that's why they/you suck and fail at everything

I LOVE CAPITALISM AND WELFARE STATE LOL

idiots

this is seriously one of the most insane and nonsensical positions in the entire universe

essentially, requiring everyone to buy insurance from a private carrier is just a great big hook up for all the money those companies poured into Democratic coffers

you should be ashamed of yourself, but you think you're rational

lastly "controlled economy" and "State run economy" are two different things.

are you unable to comprehend nuance?

oh right you're an "american liberal" who is easily bullied and shamed by the right into accepting their assumptions about economics

That's a conservative program. I don't advocate that. Most libs didn't support that. Go complain to Mitt Romney and the National Review for that one

I would support a system similar to Japan's

Trots, you bitch all day online just for the sake of bitching

Well duh.

that's what obamacare is you DIPSHIT

how do you not know this stuff? jesus fuck.

I'm not against collective management of production, but even that is not exclusively left wing. There are plenty of left-wingers who aren't in favour of state central planning on a national or federal level. I invite you to peruse the resources of the LLA: http://all-left.net/

I know of few radical leftists who want state central planning. Again, most who do turn out to be right wingers or national socialists of some stripe.

Yes. And this is the model in most of Europe as well.

Yes. I would argue that a fair amount of the Democratic party is centre, if not right of centre.

Did you see this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/us...care.html?_r=1

Not surprised at all really. How is it possible that Democrats do not realised how utterly by and for corporations Obamacare is?

eventually some kind of collective management of natural resources/energy will be necessary

because it's a my team vs. your team thing, it really has nothing to do with philosophy or facts or anything. It's basically Yankees vs. Red Sox.

it's like how redbreegull is all anti-war but probama.

it's like how republicans in congress can pretend to be deficit hawks after giving GWB a blank check

you know if a "rethuglican" invades a country he's a war criminal but a democrat attacks it with unmanned drones it's IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT OBAMA YOU'RE RACIST, STUPID AND YOU HATE GAYS.

^Yeah but to be fair those exact charges have been levied against me, for example, on here all the time.

Also Obama never said he would end war as we know it. He said he would fight a smarter war, and he has. It's focused and efficient and doesn't have the expensive theater that little Bush used American taxes to buy, but it's effective. It's the war America should've fought in the first place (if you think it should have fought at all).

This disgusts me. The man has murdered innocent people. He directly ordered the assassination of American citizens, including a sixteen year old boy. Either this stuff is wrong or it isn't. We shouldn't cut him a break because he happened to commit the same (or worse) atrocities Bush did only "more efficiently."

how dare obama assasinate a top tier al queada leader connected to two attacks and intent to commit many more

but really though... doesnt this essentially apply to all war time presidents? i'm not giving obama a pass for civilian deaths but if he's some warlord then so are his predecessors. and i doubt you got on your high horse about bush or any of the others

Well we're talking about differences, one is monetary cost.

Also call me a horrid person if you must, but I'm pretty okay with eliminating not simply people who have a negative opinion of American foreign/domestic policy and lifestyle, but specifically religious zealots who have the will and means to hurt INNOCENT AMERICAN CIVILIANS. I don't really understand how you can justify not removing these targets - who are clearly more than just a bunch of bros hanging out drinking beer in their backyards who have AKs who happen to get shot. These are people who plant IEDs or blow themselves up in crowded places.

But I view human life as expendable so say to me what you must, even if you feel you have made a case for the innocent, but be warned it will not change my cold calculating ways in the least, sir.

I mean if you're about to reply with "Well sometimes the USA kills civilians too" then let me say that there are stark differences:

1. It is NOT intentional
2. The deaths of civilians has never been American policy, and it is avoided at great length for it is a horrible thing to see happen
3. It is a numbers game, and they are collateral damage :(

What? Yes, the sixteen year old son of Anwar al-Awlaki who was having some friends over for a BBQ was an awful terrorist who we needed to assassinate without a trial or even formal charges.

Because Obama isn't Kony 2012, then, eh... why get so upset?

In what universe is this ok?