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this is so depressing
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Don't forget also that the republicans WILL take control of the Senate and maintain control of the House in November. There simply is no way that Democrats are going to keep control of both houses.
so, IF obama wins reelection, not a single damn reform of any real kind is going to go through the Congress for at LEAST 4 more years. The phoney "budget crisis" will become a month to month issue for Obama's entire second term. And the Crisis in appointments to federal courts and agencies will become worse (since republicans refuse to allow obama to appoint anybody to anything). |
so what you're saying is we're fucked
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I seem to remember better economies and less ridiculous laws going into effect back then |
The difference is today's gridlock would feature two sides who have absolutely zero desire to actually get anything that needs to be done accomplished.
The two sides would rather fuck the country's economy or standing than compromise and "show weakness" to the other side. It's fucking stupid. |
isn't that what they've done during the GOP Congress/Bush and Dem Congress/Obama anyway?
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democrats, as always, have compromised every single fucking step of the way. even when they really, really shouldn't have. this is a complete distortion of the current political climate. |
Well currently the GOP is by far the party without compromising, but I'd guess if the tables were flipped right now it'd be about the same.
The GOP is far worse as a party than the Dems right for sure, though. |
Obama just actually spoke about this bullshit:
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This stand is just pathetic as usual. Am I the only who thinks Obama would love a repub controlled congress to work with? I mean fuck, if his hands were tied and guvernin waz hard with a dem congress imagine how little control he'll have to stop anything. Unity pony at last.
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if he had said that about something other than relatively unimportant appointments it would maybe be encouraging.
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er, i guess i shouldn't say unimportant. but you know what i mean.
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anyone hailing this as a new obama or some brave stance is a moron.
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so if they fail that, they really won't have anywhere else to go, and it'd probably be politically unviable to go that route another four years without risking their majority (since an obama re-election would mean the "do-nothing congress" narrative worked). i'm not saying its all going to be sunshine afterwards and effective bills will churn out like water from a faucet, but they won't have much more incentive to gridlock the process like the past 3 years |
oh and about the rage over recess appointments, bush made 171 of them. i don't remember this kind of outrage like there is with obama's 32
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how easily we forget
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Serious question, were any of those made while the senate was having these whatever they're called and bush basically said you're not in session and did it?
honestly, havent looked into the arguments on either side to any great extent. |
yeah, same with every modern president. clinton and reagan had alot more than obama too iirc
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Of course the source is a thread at democraticunderground, but the monkey typing it was defending obama so I'll go with it. |
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i don't know about the precedent set by way of appointing during a pro forma session. but they straight up admitted they're gumming up the process for the sake of it so i don't see what else obama is supposed to do with the backlog. i was reading an interview with one of the gop chairs about a pending appointment a year ago and he said "well, i like the appointee, i'm sure she's right for the job. but if i block her i'll get more attention that way" it was just mindblowing
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I'm sure in your fucked up mind, though, a guy who's pro war, anti reproductive rights and anti gay rights is somehow NOT a conservative. |
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they care more about getting their base voters and donors frothing at the mouth than administering government. But that's part of conservative ideology now; they don't really believe in effective government. how can people who profess to hate the idea of government, people who say government is inherently evil, EVER provide anything but ineffective government. horrible human beings |
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"If Congress doesn't agree with me, I'll just enact whatever the hell I feel like" |
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