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meangreensp 09-30-2012 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by amoergosum (Post 3916776)
"@salpanza: @Billy what are the chances we'll ever see zeitgeist on vinyl?". VERY GOOD

"@rafaeldamage: @Billy but first remix it for the love of god." THAT's THE PLAN
Wow, so is he pretty much admitting that it sounds like ass? I'm really excited, I am of the belief that it is a good album with terrible mastering.

Astur 09-30-2012 07:33 PM
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Corgan: That feeds into the narcissistic strain. Why is that narcissistic strain there? Back in the day, I would run into Kim and Thurston backstage at a festival, and Thurston would talk to me about guitars and Kim would walk right past me. Why did Kim Gordon feel the need to walk past me? Why was I such a threat to Kim Gordon? I was a huge Sonic Youth fan. I saw Sonic Youth in ’87 at the Metro. I had every Sonic Youth album. I looked up to Kim Gordon. Why didn’t Kim Gordon walk past me in the hallway and mumble, “Hello?” Because what I represented was some sort of weird threat to their beautiful world that they were able to bubble around in for so many years.
what the

Sonic Johnny 09-30-2012 09:34 PM
We got to hear Jimmy tackle a shuffle beat with badass results (Tarantula) Billy played one badass guitar solo (Bring The Light), and there was one pretty great B-side (Death From Above). Gossamer had a ballin riff (ner-ner-nerrnerr-NERR-NERR-NERR-NERR NERR NERR NERR NERR NERR NERR NERR NERR-DANANA-NERR-DANANA-NERRRRR NERRR) but overall was bloated and shitty as we heard it. Everything else sucked pretty bad. Ginger was fun to look at. Still better than TBK but what the fuck does that count for

Eulogy 09-30-2012 09:36 PM
death from above sucks.

stellar and zeitgeist are great songs. probably the two best. and neither ended up on the album.

Sonic Johnny 09-30-2012 09:46 PM
^ Just went back and listened to those songs. I was, in fact, thinking of Zeitgeist, not DFA. Kinda highlights that I havent listened to any of those songs since 2009

redbull 09-30-2012 10:00 PM
stellar is fucking stupid and i don't know why anyone gives a shit about that song other than it being 6 minutes long

the live piano versions of death from above are the best thing to come out of that whole album/tour

meangreensp 09-30-2012 10:21 PM
Death From Above was garbage. Just trash.

reprise85 09-30-2012 11:03 PM
death from above is the best zeitgeist song, followed by zeitgeist and then possibly starz

reprise85 09-30-2012 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by redbull (Post 3916815)
stellar is fucking stupid and i don't know why anyone gives a shit about that song other than it being 6 minutes long

the live piano versions of death from above are the best thing to come out of that whole album/tour
i'm not a fan of the piano version though. studio version ftw

Order 66 09-30-2012 11:26 PM
i thought DFA was fantastic even though it didnt really have a place on zietgeist. kind of comes to show how disjointed the album was despite having good material

reprise85 09-30-2012 11:58 PM
i forgot who said it recently but some boarder said imagine DFA if it was written during the MCIS era, how well it could have turned out

redbull 10-01-2012 12:06 AM
i was just going to say how it reminds me of blank a lot

themadcaplaughs 10-01-2012 10:32 AM
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Death From Above was garbage. Just trash.
Agreed

samuel redman 10-01-2012 03:40 PM
loving the little two note slide solo in That's The Way (My Love Is)

old skool guitar sound for a second

emotionalfriend 10-01-2012 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny (Post 3916812)
Ginger was fun to look at.
This.

And I still like Tarantula, 7 Shades of Black, and Zeitgeist (the song). Other than that, meh.

meangreensp 10-02-2012 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by emotionalfriend (Post 3916984)
This.

And I still like Tarantula, 7 Shades of Black, and Zeitgeist (the song). Other than that, meh.
Tarantula was great. That breakdown was pure old Pumpkin earsex.

amoergosum 07-10-2014 04:41 AM
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HAPPY TOGETHER / SP ALBUM UPDATE

July 10, 2014

One to go, BEING BEIGE having been sung, with Shredder’s guitar part to go for basics; and that in the morning before I tackle ONE AND ALL, and the de facto end-of-the-road.



Yesterday, post my mea cupa de licto, we were able to come to terms (grips?) with DORIAN. Which pulled me from the digital edge. So with all that said and confessed, I thought I might share a bit on this album’s singing process.



Last album (OCEANIA) I sang without headphones, citing my usual complaint that with them on I no sing the same as I would if you was in the room. A problem for me, personally, to hear where on an album like ZEITGESIT I wasn’t able to generate the same tonal power as you might hear live. And for context, MELLON COLLIE was sung without headphones, often times in the control room with the speakers blasting. MACHINA too.



Per this/that, I noticed an appreciable shift towards my singing on OCEANIA towards the positive. But Herr Howard convinced me to at least try *his headphones, and I’d say he was right to do so, as this has helped to find that balance between good pitch and edgy (dare I use the word?) performances.



On BEING BEIGE there are two choruses, and if given his druthers Howard would have me quintuple tracked on them all. “Like Kyley Papyrus,” he says. Verses are single takes, and I started today just focused on those; probably 8-9 takes each to get the best focus without overdoing it. Chorus 1 we (unsuccessfully) went for doubles (which means two vocals, the same, that lock), and for Chorus 2, triples! That went well actually, and having heard the final result I left Howard with the note that he should ditch the doubles on Chorus 1, figuring we can fill out the parts later with harmonies or other background singing (takes, anyone?)



The entire session, as far as singing, took about 3 hours, and that’s with breaks; and that’s been pretty consistent throughout the last few weeks. So thank you Howard’s headphones!



W.P.C.

null123 07-10-2014 05:00 AM
Sounds foreboding.

dodoz 07-10-2014 10:00 AM
Was Billy's guitar biting him while he was playing the intro to "Starz" ?
This silly "aow....aow" intro always cracked me up.

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Charmbag (Post 4125464)
I think he can't reconcile his need to be "in the conversation" culturally ie "be relevant" with his need to be himself. Who he is and what (I think) he wants to say is completely at odds with the zeitgeist and where things are going. He wants to make a protest statement about the world but he can't because the very same conflict that creates that desire in him manifests as the world not taking him seriously. He can't move the conversation onto his terms. So artistically I think this has resulted in him losing a sense of his own voice - the work often feels uninspired and cold now, I think because Billy seems to be working on music in almost purely formal terms. Songcraft and such have continued to be high level but it doesn't mean a lot if it's not being used as a vehicle to say something. In terms of intellectual/emotional/political content his music feels very timid and noncommittal.
That's pretty spot on. It doesn't seem like he ever poors his heart out anymore or anything... I think Zeitgeist may have been the last time he did, and even then it didn't seem like he had a lot of personal stuff to say.

But if you look at tracks like that's the way, pomp, tarantula ETC they seem a lot more personal than anything that's came after.

I think how the reformation went down broke his heart. He probably assumed that that was his ticket back into the mainstream.

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 04:40 AM
like people absolutely TRASHED Zeitgeist.

I think it was too bad.

A song like That's the way was as brilliant as a a lot of his other material as far as I was concerned.

dreams of glass 12-13-2014 05:03 AM
In retrospect, a lot of stuff sounds real good

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 05:17 AM
I really liked the 2007 lineup. I saw em live and it was 1 of the best shows I've ever seen. Everyone left the venue in awe about what they had just witnessed. I saw the band years later in Seattle with Byrne and Nicole and it was just so flat and sterile... Like night and day.

Aside from the obvious, I think SP needs a keyboardist in the band. It just seems cheap with the backing tracks.

amoergosum 12-13-2014 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4125493)
I really liked the 2007 lineup. I saw em live and it was 1 of the best shows I've ever seen.
Which show did you go to?

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 06:16 AM
I saw them at the PNE forum in Vancouver I think it was around September

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 06:18 AM
Was a pretty killer setlist


Superchrist
Doomsday Clock
Rocket
Drown
Bring the Light
Tonight, Tonight
Tarantula
Starz
Zero
Glass and the Ghost Children
To Sheila
1979
United States
That's the Way (My Love Is)
Hummer
Ava Adore
Bullet with Butterfly Wings
Heavy Metal Machine / On the Road Again
Encore:
Today
Starla


It was the first time all tour that they played Ava Adore and Rocket.

Superchrist fucking kicked my ass too. I'd never heard any version of it before the show, and it was a really wicked way to open the set. It sounded so huge.

I don't know what got lost in translation with the recorded version. Didn't hold a flame to it

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 06:26 AM
The lighting was some of the best I'd ever seen with a live band too.



They really went the whole 9 yards with this tour

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 08:36 AM
Pomp and Circumstances is an epic classic
 
It's always troubled me why people would rate this as one of the WORST sp songs!?

For me it's always one of my go to tracks when I'm feeling down, or high, or drunk... It's just a fantastic song... And it's so well written.

It's gotta be why Corgan gets fed up. He writes a gem but people shit over it... It's incredible

Anyways, this thread is for other P+C fans to show their love

fuzzyroes 12-13-2014 08:37 AM
I mean, the subtle build up of this song is genius... And how it climaxes with the trademarked Corgan-distortion-fucking ripping guitar solo is just climatic.

I fucking love this song

amoergosum 12-13-2014 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4125539)
I saw them at the PNE forum in Vancouver I think it was around September
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