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I love life every day
in each and every way Kafka would be proud to find out It's the means that has me spooked Please don't stop, it's lonely at the top, these lonely days, will they ever stop? A GROWN MAN WROTE THESE LYRICS |
I never caught that Kafka line before what the fuck is that supposed to mean? was BiCorg feeling a bit arthropod-esque that day or something
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Once you have cleared your mind of every expectation, Zeitgeist is kind of fun to listen to, like watching a bad movie. But it will never be good. Never, ever.
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Kafka would be proud, to find out i'm certain of the end it's the means that has me spooked doesn't really need much explaining. I do like these lyrics, even if they are a bit cheesy |
what about the robber button
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Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin discuss the making of Zeitgeist >>>
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In this 2007 interview Billy talked about the project, probably for the first time publicly >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODyiD3yptOw#t=20m2s |
never heard that Zeitgeist interview, it was really interesting. I feel like the making of that album is so mysterious.
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I love how Billy and Jimmy showed what the original versions of some of the songs sounded like.
The discussion about The Shuffle was very funny. Jimmy Chamberlin: "JC don't play that." ...:) >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sQwiIAhALM#t=2m13s |
Yes, and I love how JC takes something that he hates (the main beat he described is the same one throughout Tarantula) and just makes it badass. Just absolutely kills it.
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Maybe this discredits my Pumpkins fandom to you people, but I never read nearly this much into the production of Zeitgeist. Or the lyrics, for that matter. Or the Billy-orchestra. You people actually pay attention to and let this shit affect you like this?
Zeitgeist, in my opinion, is a way better album than Oceania. Sound-wise, lyrically and vocally. I've never EVER heard anything b0lly has done that repulsed me the way Oceania did as a whole the first time I listened to it from start to finish. The songs are BAD. The lyrics are embarrassing and awful. And it sounds like absolute shit with those saccharine-rich keyboards and drums that sounds like Byrney's beating on some cardboard boxes and a plastic basket filled with thumbtacks. There's your production failure. His name is Bob Ludwig, and he ruins everything he puts his hands on. Zeitgeist at least resembled an SP album in sound. Oceania sounds like a bad MSOTS follow-up by Zwan. The lyrics and the vocal performance alone on Oceania sink the album, not to mention b0lly is aping numerous past-Pumpkins songs to try and give a bunch of the Oceania tracks wings. It just boggles my mind that people rag on Zeitgeist and yet praise Oceania like it's the "new Siamese Dream" or something. |
Oceania repulsed you
lol I'm just jealous you had any kind of strong emotional reaction to it. Honestly. At best most of us went 'this is....ok' |
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I sat down with excellent, quality headphones in a comfy armchair like a total nerd and followed along with the lyrics and everything, and I was baffled at how awful the album is. I literally said out loud to nobody in particular, "what the fuck is this SHIT?" and I stand by that, because it hasn't grown on me an ounce since. Okay..."Panopticon" isn't that bad, but it's nothing great by Billy's standards, either. And that's the problem I have with the record: I've been able to warm to and appreciate everything this guy's done, even at his so-called worst (Zwan). But this album -- that I wanted to love from the start as the "Great Pumpkin Comeback" -- turned me off instantly. Like a fucking lightswitch it's just sad when I'd rather listen to "Owata" on repeat than any one song on Oceania once. |
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Disliking Oceania is valid, but there's nothing worse than studio Owata. :think: |
OMG just got acknowledged by superfan Monty
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and I can name you at least a dozen Corgan-penned tracks that are "shit next to a Stop sign" compared to it. |
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1. One Diamond, One Heart
2. The Celestials 3. Pomp and Circumstance 4. Sorrows (In Blue) 5. Wildflower 6. Tom Tom 7. In My Body 8. Endless Summer 9. With Every Light 10. Starz 11. Spangled 12. Desire could probably do a top 25 if you pressed, but why bother? |
in my body is a great fucking song. so is desire and with every light
endless summer is p. good too |
No one who likes Zeitgeist better than Oceania is a proper person
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And the same goes for anyone who thinks Oceania is good enough to be considered canon.
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