i mean aught seven wasn't as bad ass as aught five but instead of WHINING CONSTANTLY about the damn kids and their new crap music maybe you should try to find some shit you like and stop acting like Zeitgeist is even a tenth as good as In Rainbows.

oh wait i forgot, In Rainbows sold a shit ton that year on peer to peer crowd sourcing and special edition vinyl. Stuff that doesn't pop up in those HOLY UNTOUCHABLE MAINSTREAM YARDSTICK BILLBOARD CHARTS. So much for your theory, anyway.

Except I made an effort to avoid mentioning the white stripes (RIP) and radiohead because those bands are a cut above the rest... Yeah, I bought the in rainbows box set, too... There are a TON of great bands playing great songs, I know. But there was a time when Jimi Hendrix, The Who, The Beatles, Cream, Neil Young, etc WERE top 40 and there was room for music to be commercial because it was GREAT... I think Billy tried to say "look, a big mainstream act like the pumpkins can still be mainstream and kick everybody's ass"... In Rainbows and Icky Thump sent more blood to my penis in 2007 than zeitgeist... after all, zeitgeist was a huge disappointment. I think the whole point of my INITIAL thread was that "woah, everyone says zeitgeist is totally shit but the truth is that its mostly shit but theres some incredible music on there that needs to be acknowledged and not tossed in the same pile as For God and Country"... JEEZE, fuck billboard and all those shitty bands. The truth is that rock and roll, in general, has pretty much run the gamut... There's about 500 years (250 if youre really anal) of incredible music thats always overlooked by new generations of music lovers because theres some sort of perverse interest in anything thats new... As great as the pumpkins are, and ive heard all their music as much as the rest of you, Debussy and Wagner some pretty gut=wrenching shit... dont be afraid of music with stupid titles like "classical" or "jazz"... i guess hwat im saying is that fi its great, its great, fuck rock and roll as an ideology... its just music for kids

there was all kinds of terrible shit released in the 70s guy. just because we don't remember it didn't mean it didn't exist. Besides the fact that rock & roll was fresh and new at the time. I'm sure there were a bunch of fogeys complaining about The Who taking radio time away from their favorite crooners like Perry Cuomo n shit.

and zeitgeist is a very terrible record

and i hate jazz

i bet if SP put out an album like In Rainbows they'd get completely railed for it. it was a good album but i agree with billy about the media/public kissing radiohead's ass. and there's not a lot i agree with him on these days

that's a pretty dumb statement, are you trolling?

the problem with radiohead is they never put out anything good

but i do think radiohead is kind of a pimp for marrying gwyneth paltrow. props on that

yah that is pretty cool right

haha you weezer fan

you;d have to be an idiot to like radiohead

That's the muse pimp, not radiohead.
Btw, Billy once said himself that radiohead is one of the best bands.

actually that's the coldplay guy but thanks for playing

nah it's more like this: You'd have to be an idiot to hate Radiohead.

well i disagree

I know you're an idiot, you don't have to remind me.

isn't this what newfangled music people think like? have different "opinions"? like you and i?

i loathe that word

no you hate them, what's the point of that and making snide comments about their music & fans. "You have to be an idiot" etc.

you don't have to like them, but talking about how much they suck and how much you hate them makes you an idiot.

i never said either of those words

troll hard with a vengeance

you'd have to be an idiot to like anything i don't like or dislike anything i like

and i like in rainbows

so i guess we're all idiots

in rainbows is pretty tite

that's just, like, your opinion, man

i'm not an idiot for having it

i dunno, that one guy doesn't seem to agree, and you wouldn't want to upset that one guy, right

nah i want to upset him that's why I'm smoking

I think what sjpaterra was getting at may have been said with the implicit assumption that Billy was holding true to his apparent infatuation with remaining "relevant" and having mainstream impact. With this goal in mind, I can see where Billy could have been tempted to "hot mix" the record in a terribly wrongheaded attempt to give his music at least a superficial semblance to the sound and feel of "top 40". Actually there were times on Zeitgeist where I thought I heard elements of this mentality at work anyway, as though trying to achieve something along the lines of what Green Day did with American Idiot. When I hear a song like "That's The Way," (which I know many people here cite as one of the more likable tunes from the album) my first impression is that it is an attempt at that poppy top 40 rock sound.

How the hell can you "hate" jazz? it IS the very essence of what music has always been about... PEOPLE PLAYING MUSIC! Its about ideas, creativity, improvisation, and good sounds. There's really nothing to hate... You may hate the idea of what YOU think jazz is all about but the truth is that if you ever get a chance to hear a Roland Kirk, Ornette coleman, Miles Davis, Lee Morgan, or Hank mobley record then your oppinion might change. i recommend you start listening, chap

it's a lot of wankery and people who like it act like total fucking douchebags about it. (see above)

how is that going to change my opinion of crappy music? nobody even knows who those people are