any minimalist contemporary indie band that the pitchfork crowd jizzes over

i'd name names but i'm afraid to because i aspire to sit at the cool kid's table some day

I see where you're coming from. I used to despise them. I like them now, but their drooling legion of cock-sucking hipster doofuses still pisses me off.

AGREED. FUCK THAT SHIT. especially that new song about coke. so stupid.

I'll say Guns n Roses and all that stupid bullshit (poison, etc).

Never really listened to Kiss

Metallica has some good songs but their sound doesn't change much

Kind of surprised to see Pink Floyd on here. I guess if you didn't smoke weed in high school, there's a chance you won't like them (sort of joking on stereotypes here but not completely). I can see how they could be perceived as boring but they're still one of my favorites.


I tried once and they didn't really do anything for me. I'll try again though.

Joy Division and Slint aren't for everybody but they're among my favorites.

I just got into the Pixies in the last year or two, but if you've heard them I can't see how you wouldn't like them.

Did I see the Clash on here? They're fucking awesome!

this too

I was just stating it in light of I'm Hardcore's assertion that art is subjective and therefore opinion on it does not require any justification beyond emotivism.

because clearly that is wrong! SO WRONG!

Hey moron, I was just playing devil's advocate. I was just pointing out there is a way of looking at things where "because I feel that way" isn't a good reason.

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the further i went into this thread the more this guys shitty posts continued to spiral out of control

killed to death by radio play, i can' stand SRV either... stupid classic rock station.

it is a perfectly good reason when it comes to the arts

RHCP are often highly regarded? I don't feel that they are.

I know, but I could say 'there are arguments' in favour of any point I wanted to make but that deosn't mean there are any good ones.

[A=Trotskilicious;3563018]samuel redman stinks[/quote]

he is not a band

i'll give this a shot and try my best not to sound like a huge douchebag in the process

on a musical level: the album makes great use of atmosphere. parts of the album are bathed in a very pretty overdriven fuzz (holland, 1945), some parts which make great and tasteful use of brass (the fool), some parts which are front loaded with treble (in the aeroplane over the sea), some parts which are stripped down completely with a lot of empty spaces (oh comely), and some parts which manage to have two or more of these things going on simultaneously (untitled)...and regardless of what type of atmosphere is being employed on a track-to-track basis (or in some cases, a second-to-second basis), it always sounds like the right choice, and the transitions between these varying atmospheres is extremely well done. the result is a sound that's fairly unique despite its use of several familiar elements.

i love the mix of instruments as well...it's a good mix of old-timey (the brass and the occasional use of organ or bagpipes) and modern (guitar, keyboard, obvious use of distortion, etc).

as far as lyrics and content go, and the emotional weight the album carries: it's no secret that a lot of the inspiration for the album stems from the holocaust; jeff magnum has mentioned anne frank specifically, iirc, and rightfully so...because despite the overwhelmingly bleak and sad subject matter of the album, there is this sort of starry-eyed, youthful optimism which manages to shine through at different points, and in a very realistic, tasteful, powerful, non-overstated, non-tacky way (you know, the exact opposite of that abysmal "alive with the glory of love" song by say anything). as a result, the reprisal of "two-headed boy" about two-thirds of the way through the final track is one of my favorite "..holy shit" moments in all of music.

the lyrics are abstract--there's no way to get around it--and this is probably one of the biggest hurdles as far as liking the album goes...but honestly, i've never found them to be overly vague or distracting in the least. there are certainly small sections where i don't have the slightest fucking clue what he's talking about or referring to, but the same could be said about damn near any other musician at some point or another. it might just be an acquired taste thing, or one of those things that some people just don't "get" (and i don't mean "get" in any sort of elitist, you're just not on my level maaaan kind of way).

honestly...just listen to it with headphones on from beginning to end and pay close attention. if it doesn't hit you the first time through, give it another shot in a few days. if you still don't feel anything, i guess it's just not for you.

i think i succeeded in explaining my position, but i definitely failed at not sounding like a douchebag. i apologize.

man

your judgement is clearly being clouded by your prejudice against "hipsters".


seriously why the fuck do people keep replying on that "oh fucking hipsters look at them being so indie and hip and douchey" schtick . BORING. Come up with a new argument, please.

dude 1 - "hey dude, check out this Beethoven CD. I think you'd really like it"

dude 2 - "nahhhh man, Beethoven? Thats what those old people listen to. Goddamn old people. If they like it, it's gotta suck."

i don't know man i can relate with that

i just don't understand how being liked by a certain subculture can detract from the music itself

I seem to recall something said about artists that are highly regarded amongst pre-teens.

would you call it TOTAL RECALL?

But there are schools of criticism which believe

nevermind

Learn to use indefinite articles.

die

God fucking dammit redbreegull why do you not understand that saying that arguments for something exist and nothing else is just about the most worthless contribution you can possibly make in any argument.

Nvm, "plural" is an adjective.

Nihilist are you Red Scarlet's husband?

Pearl Jam, mainly.
The "new" Green Day.
U2. FUCK U2!

Probably anything even remotely connected to riot grrrl

Radiohead, U2, Pearl Jam

Judgement? I never said I thought the album was awful, I'd love to hear what so many other people hear in it. Nor did I mean 'hipsters' as an insult. In the case of, In the Aeroplane, I'll be giving it another go one of these days. Maybe it'll finally click with me.

As for the "i just don't understand how being liked by a certain subculture can detract from the music itself", what the hell man? I couldn't give a shit if I enjoy it.

WILCO. I knew I was forgetting the big one. I cannot get into this band. I even saw them play at this really cool intimate venue last year.... but nothing.

converge

i didn't get YHF at first but months later realized i had half of its melodies stuck in my head

i love love love In the Aeroplane Over the Sea but never listen to NMH's other album. i think Boots Electric did a decent job of explaining the appeal of it.

this doesn't make any sense

not a rant at you, in particular. A rant in general.

people who hate on 'hipsters' just end up coming across as old, boring and out-of-touch

having said that i do find boys with beards pretty amusing