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Quiet CD 09-30-2008 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son (Post 3339372)
America spends the money because we allow the uninsured and illegal people to get free healthcare. Funny, no candidate seems to want to do shit about that. Their lawns are well maintained, I'll bet.
Well if we offered citizenship to all of the non-citizen residents of this country, they would pay taxes on their income, and then offset the cost of their living here. The more tax paying citizen the better right?

Nimrod's Son 09-30-2008 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet CD (Post 3350747)
Well if we offered citizenship to all of the non-citizen residents of this country, they would pay taxes on their income, and then offset the cost of their living here. The more tax paying citizen the better right?
I am all for immigration, but since crossing the border is illegal and being in the country illegally is a felony, and since I don't think we should offer citizenship to felons, I say we take a different tack.

dudehitscar 09-30-2008 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son (Post 3350752)
I am all for immigration, but since crossing the border is illegal and being in the country illegally is a felony, and since I don't think we should offer citizenship to felons, I say we take a different tack.
cause if it's illegal it's immediately wrong:rolleyes:


they crossed an imaginary line on the earth to make a better life for themselves. No need to be such a dick. Protecting borders is important but let's not be judge and jury on anyone who is here without the proper papers.

Quiet CD 09-30-2008 07:34 PM
...and I say we shouldn't allow felons to be in the Judiciary, Executive or Legislative branches of the goverment, but we obviously allow it (most of them are, and surely will prove to be with the bailout plan).

hnibos 09-30-2008 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son (Post 3350752)
I am all for immigration, but since crossing the border is illegal and being in the country illegally is a felony, and since I don't think we should offer citizenship to felons, I say we take a different tack.
Why shouldn't we allow citizenship to these felons? If they are murderers or thieves in their home country ok, but it isn't fair to lump them in with those crowds. You really make it sound like it is something really bad they have committed.

hnibos 09-30-2008 07:58 PM
But i guess they should stay where they are and continue to eat shit, since their government gives out so little visas in the first place, and usually only to people that are well off anyways.

hnibos 09-30-2008 08:04 PM
let me guess


http://content.ytmnd.com/content/2/c...b7de1bed37.jpg

Debaser 10-06-2008 02:17 PM
obama shredding mccain's healthcare plan:

Sam Vimes 10-06-2008 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn Osmond (Post 3349369)
Eating right, not smoking, and spending as much time exercising as some of you spend on Netphoria....is the most effective and least expensive health care plan money can buy. Those of you who plan on relying on government health care rather than your own lifestyle to keep you healthy as you get older are going to be sorely disappointed. Putting government price caps on what doctors and hospitals can charge for services doesn't work when their costs go up year after year. Putting government caps on the hospital's medical suppliers won't work either because their costs go up year after year also. The government would just be capping doctors' abilities to do their best work while running them out of business.
No one here has explained why healthcare needs to be free, or "affordable for everyone". Why does it? Why are people not willing to understand that certain medical procedures are simply out of their reach financially, and that good doctors are never going to be willing to charge little or nothing for the work that they've spent 8 years or more training for?
This is a joke right?

Nimrod's Son 10-06-2008 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dudehitscar (Post 3350759)
cause if it's illegal it's immediately wrong:rolleyes:


they crossed an imaginary line on the earth to make a better life for themselves. No need to be such a dick. Protecting borders is important but let's not be judge and jury on anyone who is here without the proper papers.
Ok, so can I come into your house? What if I start eating your food and watching your tv? That's only an imaginary line, right?

There are laws set up that define those "imaginary lines." And yes again, I support increased immigration. It needs to be done properly and on a worldwide basis, not just open to those who can walk here.

Nimrod's Son 10-06-2008 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hnibos (Post 3350800)
Why shouldn't we allow citizenship to these felons? If they are murderers or thieves in their home country ok, but it isn't fair to lump them in with those crowds. You really make it sound like it is something really bad they have committed.
No, you're missing what I'm saying.

Well first, they could be murderers or thieves in their home countries, but we don't know that because there's no way to check, since they're just "here."

There are proper paths to immigration, and if we simply let "these felons" stay and grant them citizenship, it's just pissing on all of the people who tried to do it the correct way.

i'm not saying we deny citizenship, I'm saying they need to follow the same procedures as everyone else. We shouldn't reward people for breaking the law.

Nimrod's Son 10-06-2008 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Debaser (Post 3355167)
obama shredding mccain's healthcare plan:
I love it. Next I hope McCain shred Obama's plan so that neither are passed.

Hate the Hater 10-24-2008 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sppunk (Post 3339563)
The healthcare in the U.S. is the best in the world.

False, but fun to pretend.

Most expensive does not equal "the best".

http://www.newsweek.com/id/128635

http://www.thoughttheater.com/2008/0..._the_world.php

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In the report released by "Researchers Ellen Nolte and Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine", the evidence suggests that the United States ranks dead last in terms of preventable deaths.
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France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.


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