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DON"T WORRY FOLKS, ITS VEGAN!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/eek.gif

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Oh, Netphoria. There should be an anthem for this board.

My girlfriend is a vegetarian, which is cool, but I'm scared she'll go vegan all of a sudden and start bugging me about my eating habits.
Plus it make it impossible for me to cook for her. Or vice versa.



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how'd this world get so fucking fun, all of a sudden?

I don't eat animals because i don't think it is right to harm and/or kill another creature who can deeply feel. I feel that it is not okay for people to do so because it is unnecessary to survival. The animals who eat other animals do so because they need to to survive. People don't need it, therefore I feel it is senseless to kill or harm another sentient being.
I don't eat milk and eggs etc because of the cruel conditions animals are kept in in the factories that produce milk and eggs.

Now, by any chance, do you own any articles of clothing made in Southeast Asia, the Carribean or Latin America?

actually....uh...nope.
I also don't have any Nike shoes either.

yeah sketchers are better anyways

So you're calling me a moral heathen then, right?

no we didn't.

on another note, I had a nice juicy barbequed steak today! mmmm mm, good eatin'!

that's a pretty nice way to put it.

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"Honies play me close like butter played toast, from the Mississippi down to the east coast."

you have probably evolved from excrement.
but i've evolved from this dude:

http://www.centerfortheperson.org/HUMAN%20EVOLUTION.jpg

this was my favorite part of the thread.
speaking of which, I think that us Netphorians should all make a secret code symbol so that we can quickly identify one another if we pass on the street. or maybe a bumpersticker.

*sigh*, it's a common misconception. we didn't evolve from apes, we simply had a common ancestor with them.

here we go...

so what's wrong with sedating them before killing 'em? they won't feel anything then...

er...wrong. there are numerous cases of animals in the wild killing for fun/when they already have a plentiful supply.


do you use soap? or eat candy? or wear (most varieties of) shoes? etc etc

show me a person that says they don't own a single product that bears some relation to the mistreating/killing of animals and i'll show you a liar.


i have a couple of problems with vegans. the first is that of the cruelty issue, they don't want to see the animal suffer. would they be happy if the animal was drugged to its eyeballs and felt no pain when it was whacked over the head with an iron bar or whatever? i suspect, not. so this is bullshit.

the second thing that comes to mind is that they think it's okay to eat vegetables/fruit.

1. vegetables/fruit come from living organisms...what right have we got to eat their produce. the only difference between eating a apple and a fluffy bunny is that one has a cute lil face and will squeal when you kill it. which as i've said before, needn't be the case...it's possibly to kill animals perfectly humanely.

2. in what conditions do you think fruit/vegetables are harvested? they're not lovingly tended to by a benevolent farmer looking out for the interests of 'healthy' people round the world. it's a business. they wanna make money. there's a durect analogy between a chicken's egg and a tree's apple...

vegans need to get over themselves, they're no better than meat-eaters...

i don't recall anyone saying they were better.

first, most of the things you stated are personal views compiled from watching tv and personal experience.
i have no idea whether or not you've know too many vegans. you're the only one who knows that.
i'm not a vegan, but i am a vegetarian.

yes, it is possible someone might be using products from animals and not know it, but most vegans i know are pretty strict and make a vigorous effort to make sure they aren't and to actually do something to solve the problem, as opposed to people who just talk.

sure, animals kill animals. first, how do you know they do it just for fun. from what you've said i doubt you've ever read anything, except for maybe you've seen a couple programs on animal planet.
second, so what if they have. the point is, we're not apes. we're not lions and tigers and bears (tee hee), we are human. when we have children we don't lick them clean when they come out of our wombs and we certainly don't eat our own shit. so, comparing us to them in any aspect is ignorant.
the worst thing you did was trying to compare animals to fruits/vegetables. there is a huge difference and you're just doing it to be cute. fruits and vegetables do not have a nervous system or a brain. they can't feel pain and aren't comparable. i hope you weren't serious on that.

another fact; it is proven that humans have digestive tracks best suited for fruits, vegetables and grains as opposed to a tiger or lion who have larger digestive tracks suited for a meat diet and for their survival.
last, we are much too intelligent to continue to eat meat based diets.
take it as you want, but i've done much more research on the subject than most who have posted here, so it's up to how you feel morally, these are the facts....nigga!

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"Honies play me close like butter played toast, from the Mississippi down to the east coast."

Way to generalize the fuck out of something that's only a personal choice anyway. And what makes you think people need this explained to them? They're already doing whatever the hell they want for their own reasons, and there are plenty of good ones.

With that out of the way, nothing you wrote just there made the least bit of sense anyway.

perhaps bad terminology, my point still stands though.
If you keep tracing back through the origins of man, our primates would seem even less evolved than modern apes, and still herbivorous.

You’re quite a smart guy dave, but I have to disagree with you here.

The vegan/vegetarian arguments don't merely centre on the pain torture aspects of animals. It rather concerns the needless killing of sentient life.

I put forward this analogy: Is it right to massacre a portion of the human population needlessly, even if they won't feel anything at the time that they are being exterminated?

If you think this analogy is absurd because you feel that the distinction between humans and animals too wide, then I don't think you're being realistic.
Can people do what they want if they are in the power to do so, regardless of the consequences?
This contradicts the principles of the regulation of power which exists in almost every authoritive construct and body i can think of, not to mention human ideology.
where one has power, there needs to be sufficient cause for imposing that power.

The only reason you have a problem with it, is because you don't like the idea of people taking the moral highground and condemning you for something you feel you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Vegan/vegetarians aren’t hypocrites because they may inadvertently use animal products, they’re still making a selfless moral effort.
The point is that vegan/vegetarian philosophy evokes a greater compassion for life; that they have considered other lifeforms before thinking about their own personal pleasure.
It's a consideration quality that I admire, and i wish more people (including myself) would have.

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Dave, I don't think the majority of animals are necessarily killed (or even farmed) humanely - they are a resource on a production line, and to keep things as cheap and efficient as possible, guarantees can't be made. And I think there's a line drawn between sentient creatures and plants (although I can see Vegetable Rights groups springing up in 50 years when someone discovers plants can communicate with us)

You're right about everything being tainted, and that's a sad fact of life at the moment. But if people are making a conscious effort to try and limit their usage of these things, and improve the world by even 1 iota, then kudos to them. The sad part about this thread is that it seems to be more vegan bashing than self-righteous attacks on non-vegans. Maybe other people need to get over themselves :/

That was the point!!!
My only disgust was with people who make dogs vegans

Yeah, but your thread has been hijacked, ma'am.

Dumbass.

Please, that's like a target. We'd be jumped and killed.

And yet you title the thread "I hate vegans!"

Yeah, we'd be so outnumbered it's not even funny.

*hands out "most observant" award*

Nah, you didn't ride in on a high horse this time. I don't think you realize I'm pro-vegetarian, pro-vegan. But I'd resent it if anyone says I'm incapable of being just as compassionate about animal rights as vegans or vegetarians are, which is probably why I've been riding your back in the past.

You can ride my back anytime baby :X

thankyou, assumption king

i'm not gonna say i've known loads of vegans but i've met enough...

my point was that they're unusually unrealistic about veganism/the world as a whole. i don't doubt their good intentions.

how fuckin wrong you are. we ARE an animal, pure and simple...

i was being 100% serious on that point. i was trying to illustrate that the objection some people have to animals feeling pain is not a valid one. you missed it entirely. well done.

i highlighted the important bit of your passage there...hope you understand...

i doubt it tho...