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Irrelevant 07-04-2002 02:02 AM

New Missouri Law Requires Public Schools To Recite Pledge Once A Week
 
LIBERTY, Mo. -- Gov. Bob Holden signed a law Wednesday requiring public schools to recite the Pledge of Allegiance at least once a week.

Will the new law make local schools look at the Pledge of Allegiance differently?

KMBC's Natalie Moultrie reported that just as you're likely to find kids playing kickball on the playground at Shoal Creek Elementary School, you're likely to find patriotic artwork and a respect for the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I feel really good about it. It represents our country and our states," fifth-grader Joel Guilfoyle said.

"It's important especially in a town like Liberty. We're very focused on Independence Day rights and students have an important part to honor our history," said Amy Watkins of the Liberty School District.

Moultrie reported that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is an everyday ritual at Shoal Creek, but it's not necessarily policy. Missouri's law stating that schools must say the Pledge of Allegiance at least once a week is just affirmation to many here.

"I'm glad to hear of the state's approval. It's important for the kids to say the Pledge," principal Brad Welle said.

But school officials said that they are also sensitive to students who feel differently about the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I know students of other religions who do not say it. But as Americans, you can stand up and still be respectful when saying the Pledge in the morning," teacher Erin Perrigo said.

The legislation goes into effect Aug. 28.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 02:04 AM

so there you go, it is now mandatory for students to pledge their allegience to a symbol, and to a nation under god.

freedom loses yet again.

bonsor 07-04-2002 02:04 AM

Word.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ******:
Word.
the item was mentioned for less than 30 seconds on the KC news, which i rarely ever watch. it's amazing i heard about this at all.

Oblivious 07-04-2002 02:09 AM

just reading that made me feel dirty.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 02:09 AM

i don't know how this affects Jehovah's Witnesses, who cannot pledge their allegience to America, let alone a symbol.

Crippler 07-04-2002 02:13 AM

I pledge allegiance...to Queen Fragg...and her mighty state of hysteria...

bittertrance 07-04-2002 02:27 AM

boo hoo

tweedyburd 07-04-2002 02:36 AM

Finally something about the pledge that's worth an uproar.

Crippler 07-04-2002 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tweedyburd:
Finally something about the pledge that's worth an uproar.

Nah...the whole under God thing was much more worth a debate, not to mention a laugh or three.

Crippler 07-04-2002 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Houdini:
cool. you mean like the freedom of religion or the freedom of speech?


More or less. It's amazing how low in regard kids are actually held in this country.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bittertrance:
boo hoo

this kind of nationalism borders on fascism. boo hoo to you too, hitler.

tweedyburd 07-04-2002 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crippler:
Nah...the whole under God thing was much more worth a debate, not to mention a laugh or three.

Well this is just an extention of that debate. The difference here, of course, is that this is something that's actually worth investing a lot of energy into opposing.


BeautifulLoser 07-04-2002 03:15 AM

Eeh. That sucks.

Oh, by the way, in the Rankin County School District in Mississippi, teachers are required to have a plaque in their room that says "In God We Trust". Chew on that one.

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
EAT A BAG OF FUCK, HOMOLOVER.
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Crippler 07-04-2002 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
this kind of nationalism borders on fascism. boo hoo to you too, hitler.

Aren't you being a tad bit extreme, R.P.?

Mayfuck 07-04-2002 03:24 AM

I don't think fifth graders really give a shit about the Pledge of Allegiance.

Crippler 07-04-2002 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mayfuck:
I don't think fifth graders really give a shit about the Pledge of Allegiance.

Some would argue that's the problem.

bittertrance 07-04-2002 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
this kind of nationalism borders on fascism. boo hoo to you too, hitler.

ok, well when you realize that utopia is impossible let us all know


Irrelevant 07-04-2002 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bittertrance:
ok, well when you realize that utopia is impossible let us all know

oh, of course, so we should just "deal with it"!

there's no point in trying to change anything, ever, because it will still be imperfect! shit!

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crippler:
Aren't you being a tad bit extreme, R.P.?
tad bit?

Mayfuck 07-04-2002 03:53 AM

And I'll be damned if Missoura's a state!

Affectation 07-04-2002 03:54 AM

Move out, fucker. You are here by choice. Live by the rules, and the laws.

America wont miss you. I promise.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
i don't know how this affects Jehovah's Witnesses, who cannot pledge their allegience to America, let alone a symbol.

the "under God" debate aside, what do you people think about that one? i know Jehovah's Witnesses are pretty minute when compared to the whole of the public school system, but if they were required to pledge allegience, wouldn't that be an intrusion on their religious rights?

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Affectation:
Live by the rules, and the laws.
...said the frequent user of illegal drugs.

Affectation 07-04-2002 04:00 AM

I haven't touched anything in over nine months, you fucking moron.

Now let's argue valid points. It doesn't seem as though you have any.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Affectation:
I haven't touched anything in over nine months, you fucking moron.
what, you're a big fan of america now? and the drug war? what, did you get pussified?

bittertrance 07-04-2002 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
oh, of course, so we should just "deal with it"!

there's no point in trying to change anything, ever, because it will still be imperfect! shit!


see with leftists they always have something to bitch about and things to change so much that they go for trivial shit like this....

which you do not realize only brings out the people on the extreme right...so now we have extremists on both sides fueding over this stupid bullshit we wont even remember in 6 months

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bittertrance:

see with leftists they always have something to bitch about and things to change so much that they go for trivial shit like this....

which you do not realize only brings out the people on the extreme right...so now we have extremists on both sides fueding over this stupid bullshit we wont even remember in 6 months

in this case, 90% of america is apparently the "extreme right."

besides, i'm not a leftist. i just believe in what i think is right, which is that that students should not be legally required to recite a pledge to a symbol. and i'm going to argue for what i believe in. *shrug*

Affectation 07-04-2002 04:12 AM

No, I've been a nationalist since I was a young child. If you don't agree with something that you think steps over the bounds of religion and state, leave. You are in this country by choice. America was created with the Christian God in mind, and thought. The Christian God played an integral part in the creation of this country, and that isn't going to change. Not next year, not in ten years. Worship whatever you please, but don't expect a nation to bend over backwards to change history, and everything that it's founding fathers created.

Nice comeback, by the way.

tweedyburd 07-04-2002 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
if they were required to pledge allegience, wouldn't that be an intrusion on their religious rights?

Perhaps.

But, on a related, if not more extreme note, have you heard the case of the Muslim woman who refuses to have her face photographed for her driver's licence or any other identification card? Instead, she argues, she'll submit a photo that has her face covered, showing only her eyes.

There comes a point when the safety of everyone over-rides things such as religious rights of others. (not that I'm correlating this to your example)


Affectation 07-04-2002 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:


i just believe in what i think is right


Ha.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Affectation:
America was created with the Christian God in mind, and thought. The Christian God played an integral part in the creation of this country, and that isn't going to change. Not next year, not in ten years. Worship whatever you please, but don't expect a nation to bend over backwards to change history, and everything that it's founding fathers created.
i thought the boundary between the church and the state was pretty clear. the infringements of the past don't justify themselves by just existing for a long time, or by having the majority agree with them. government endorsed religion is government endorsed religion, and it shouldn't happen.

i'll admit the whole "under God" thing is really riding the borderline of separation between church and state. but i'd be a lot more willing to let it go if the pledge of allegience was optional, which it should be.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tweedyburd:
Perhaps.

But, on a related, if not more extreme note, have you heard the case of the Muslim woman who refuses to have her face photographed for her driver's licence or any other identification card? Instead, she argues, she'll submit a photo that has her face covered, showing only her eyes.

There comes a point when the safety of everyone over-rides things such as religious rights of others. (not that I'm correlating this to your example)

yes, i was totally against that. she shouldn't be driving in a veil and if she wants photo ID, she needs to have an identifiable, accurate photo.

Elvis The Fat Years 07-04-2002 04:22 AM

what up page 2

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Affectation:
Ha.
yes, how i silly i am to make my own decisions, based on what i believe and the arguments i hear for and against, and not follow a checklist of leftism! it is very amusing!

Affectation 07-04-2002 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
i thought the boundary between the church and the state was pretty clear. the infringements of the past don't justify themselves by just existing for a long time, or by having the majority agree with them. government endorsed religion is government endorsed religion, and it shouldn't happen.

i'll admit the whole "under God" thing is really riding the borderline of separation between church and state. but i'd be a lot more willing to let it go if the pledge of allegience was optional, which it should be.

Your thoughts and beliefs aren't going to change a single thing. The Judge that ruled this is a fucking idiot. And the media will quiet down soon enough. I'm certain that the pledge will remain worded the same.

Also, if you possessed the ability to think slightly deeper than the surface, you would know that this pledge isn't to
symbol.

This nation was created under the God of the founders. Not Buddha, not Vishnu, and not Islam's Allah. If you are a member of this amazing country, one that had become a powerful nation in much less time than any other, you should feel as though you owe a little gratitude to the people that dreamed and created it so well. If you don't feel this, find somewhere where you do.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Affectation:
This nation was created under the God of the founders. Not Buddha, not Vishnu, and not Islam's Allah. If you are a member of this amazing country, one that had become a powerful nation in much less time than any other, you should feel as though you owe a little gratitude to the people that dreamed and created it so well. If you don't feel this, find somewhere where you do.

just because the founders themselves were christians, we should ignore what they said about religious freedom? i am grateful to them, for bestowing such supposed freedoms upon us. shouldn't i argue for these freedoms to be carried out?

is disagreeing with the government bad now?

Affectation 07-04-2002 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
just because the founders themselves were christians, we should ignore what they said about religious freedom? i am grateful to them, for bestowing such supposed freedoms upon us. shouldn't i argue for these freedoms to be carried out?

is disagreeing with the government bad now?

No, not paying respect and not devoting yourself to the nation that you are a part of is.

Irrelevant 07-04-2002 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Affectation:
No, not paying respect and not devoting yourself to the nation that you are a part of is.
why is nationalism so important?

mewl 07-04-2002 11:27 AM

And John Adams said: "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."


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