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BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
what, are you disappointed we spent so much time trying to change the opinion of someone who is wrong?

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Irrelevant 06-30-2002 03:19 AM

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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
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i'm sorry that you don't care about the rights of others. no need to get pissy!

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:19 AM

Even though you are blatantly offensive with your arguements, Irrelevant, I still like you. You're amusing.

Graveflower 06-30-2002 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by tweedyburd:
Nah, this thread's not even worth the energy of a cop out.


Was there really any reason for you to even reply? It's pretty rude, not to mention pointless to enter a thread that's gone on just fine without your imput and basically call everyone stupid. I'm sure the thread would have been much better with your involvement.

Irrelevant 06-30-2002 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
Even though you are blatantly offensive with your arguements, Irrelevant, I still like you. You're amusing.

that's what i'm here for.

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He rushed into the house, farting and tap dancing, warning the people about the terrible danger they were in.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:23 AM

Shit, I've spent about $4 sitting here... I gotta go. Night night everyone.

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
EAT A BAG OF FUCK, HOMOLOVER.

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tweedyburd 06-30-2002 03:23 AM

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
what, are you disappointed we spent so much time trying to change the opinion of someone who is wrong?

No, I'm disappointed some people are foolish enough to believe opinions like the ones expressed here, at their core, can be changed.


Graveflower 06-30-2002 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by tweedyburd:
No, I'm disappointed some people are foolish enough to believe opinions like the ones expressed here, at their core, can be changed.


You've had threads where you've argued over abortion, and many other political beliefs. What made those different?

Debaser 06-30-2002 03:30 AM

man that's fucked up that they say god in the plege. Even though the government says that you don't have to say the plege or just leave out the god part if you want, we all know that its just a weak ass cop out. the government should not be endorsing religion like that. im so offended.

you know what else is offensive? the fact that the government makes us take a week off from school for these crazy christian religious holidays of christmas and easter. Even though the government has tried to call it "winter" and "spring" break, we all know that its just a weak ass cop out. that's so fucked up how the government is endorsing religion like that. i demand that school be in session during those christian holidays cuz im not a christian!!!!

Who's with me!!??

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tweedyburd 06-30-2002 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by Graveflower:
Was there really any reason for you to even reply? It's pretty rude

Oh my! Now this really is a touchy-feely kinda thread we have here. Yes, how very rude of me.

Relax. I was mostly disappointed because the subject line was misleading. I was expecting the usual back and forth ideological bullshit that I've come to know and love on this board. This was actually sort of interesting, if not completely repetitive.

Oh, just out of curiosity, how do you guys who decry all of this as an outrage feel about spending those bills in your pocket that say "In God We Trust" neatly on them.



[This message has been edited by tweedyburd (edited 06-30-2002).]

tweedyburd 06-30-2002 03:33 AM

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Originally posted by Graveflower:
You've had threads where you've argued over abortion, and many other political beliefs. What made those different?

I never argue to consciously change someone's opinion, but rather to back up my own as best I can. There is a difference.

Graveflower 06-30-2002 03:38 AM

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Originally posted by tweedyburd:
I never argue to consciously change someone's opinion, but rather to back up my own as best I can. There is a difference.

I can't speak for the other people here, but I don't expect to change other people's opinions, just make them understand mine.

tweedyburd 06-30-2002 03:39 AM

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Originally posted by Graveflower:
I can't speak for the other people here, but I don't expect to change other people's opinions, just make them understand mine.

I know, dude. I have no beef with you.

MisterSquishyHalo 06-30-2002 04:48 AM

Never debate someone about religion.

nothing ever changes. heh.

You can never convince a true believer that it doesnt exist, just as you can never convince a non-believer that it does.

kypper 06-30-2002 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by tweedyburd:


Oh, just out of curiosity, how do you guys who decry all of this as an outrage feel about spending those bills in your pocket that say "In God We Trust" neatly on them.

Read the whole thread. We discuss that.

kypper 06-30-2002 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by Graveflower:
The fact that you're for completely disallowing any form of religion in school. Her point was that it's unfair to want to keep kids from having prayer groups on their own, and that you're essentially saying that prayer should be restricted to church, and not even all Christians go to Churh.

I wish I was better at expressing this stuff.

Not at all. I never said it couldn't be done outside of school. Jesus... stop being so black and white http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif
I only mean, and I have seen this countless times, that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile, so the school stuff has to stay nadda. If you don't agree with me, BL, well, you just have to start researching how all these fuckers handle their 'inch' http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif I KNOW history shows they don't stop there.

kypper 06-30-2002 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
Telling people they can't pray or have little groups that get together to pray PERIOD at school is infringing on the religious rights of those people.

Not particularly, especially if it disrupts learning in the environment they're in to learn, not pray. Go to church, your home, a park, I don't care. Go to school to fucking learn.

Demon Worshippers (they are NOT Satanists... you need to look them up if you think of them as anything but hedonistic atheists) aren't allowed to sacrifice a goat in the school caffeteria.
Wiccans aren't allowed to praise their goddess with naked dancing around a fire (yes, they DO do that. I know that for a fact).
They have constitutional rights, by you reasoning, to pray at school! WHERE'S THE LOVE?!??!?
Can't have one without the other.

[This message has been edited by kypper (edited 06-30-2002).]

kypper 06-30-2002 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Debaser:
man that's fucked up that they say god in the plege. Even though the government says that you don't have to say the plege or just leave out the god part if you want, we all know that its just a weak ass cop out. the government should not be endorsing religion like that. im so offended.

you know what else is offensive? the fact that the government makes us take a week off from school for these crazy christian religious holidays of christmas and easter. Even though the government has tried to call it "winter" and "spring" break, we all know that its just a weak ass cop out. that's so fucked up how the government is endorsing religion like that. i demand that school be in session during those christian holidays cuz im not a christian!!!!

Who's with me!!??


Sarcasm will get you nowhere. They have long been altered to non-religious holidays in the general mention. Santa Clause instead of Jesus. Easter Bunny instead of ... well, Jesus. Granted, they were about the wassail bowl and chocolates before christianity came and altered those pagan holidays anyway, butttttttttttttttt...........
Honestly, if that would get religion out of my face and my children's faces in the environment they're supposed to be in to LEARN on MY TAXDOLLARS... yes, I would forfeit those holidays.

kypper 06-30-2002 07:12 AM

*** bitches. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

This Naked Chef 06-30-2002 07:15 AM

i dunno BEAUTIFUL loszr sems like this kinda dum bitch who was to busy killing chinks to make opnions

yah and her boyfriend was like "yeah honey, shake the hips and be my communist woman"

And she was like

http://newbatteries.homestead.com/files/floppysos.gif

then she an el scorcho became beautiful twins only el scorcho didnt die

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Graveflower:
I can't speak for the other people here, but I don't expect to change other people's opinions, just make them understand mine.

Yup, same here

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by kypper:
Not at all. I never said it couldn't be done outside of school. Jesus... stop being so black and white http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif
I only mean, and I have seen this countless times, that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile, so the school stuff has to stay nadda. If you don't agree with me, BL, well, you just have to start researching how all these fuckers handle their 'inch' http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif I KNOW history shows they don't stop there.

Whatever... I've seen plenty of schools that have religious clubs that meet at school, outside of schooltime, and they don't go any further than their "inch". Simply because you've had bad run-ins with religious people is no reason to lump us all together and say that we're going to press our views on everyone else.

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
EAT A BAG OF FUCK, HOMOLOVER.

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BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by kypper:
Not particularly, especially if it disrupts learning in the environment they're in to learn, not pray. Go to church, your home, a park, I don't care. Go to school to fucking learn.

Demon Worshippers (they are NOT Satanists... you need to look them up if you think of them as anything but hedonistic atheists) aren't allowed to sacrifice a goat in the school caffeteria.
Wiccans aren't allowed to praise their goddess with naked dancing around a fire (yes, they DO do that. I know that for a fact).
They have constitutional rights, by you reasoning, to pray at school! WHERE'S THE LOVE?!??!?
Can't have one without the other.

[This message has been edited by kypper (edited 06-30-2002).]

Are you retarded? Of course you're not allowed to fuckin' sacrifice a goat at school or run around naked...

I don't even need to explain why.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by This Naked Chef:
i dunno BEAUTIFUL loszr sems like this kinda dum bitch who was to busy killing chinks to make opnions

yah and her boyfriend was like "yeah honey, shake the hips and be my communist woman"

And she was like

http://newbatteries.homestead.com/files/floppysos.gif

then she an el scorcho became beautiful twins only el scorcho didnt die

Who the fuck are you?

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
EAT A BAG OF FUCK, HOMOLOVER.

http://216.40.201.38/contrib/ruinkai/screama.gif

sawdust restaurants 06-30-2002 09:19 AM

I cannot believe some of you think that putting posters up in a school building, no matter what they say, is unconstitutional. Bullshit. How is a student's action a state-sponsored endorsement of religion? You're really stretching that one, guys.

No wonder America is up in arms. "TEH PPL W/O G0D ARE TAKING 0VER TEH WORLD!!1!!" I was appalled at some of the things that people were saying who had written into the newspaper and called the news, because I thought this was a First Amendment issue, but I suppose I was wrong--there really is anti-establishment sentiment in a lot of non-Christians, and you guys are going out of your way to utterly eliminate religion from public forums, which is NOT the same thing, at all, as trying to prevent a teacher to lead a state-mandated pledge with the words "under God" in it. This Pledge decision isn't popular, but I agree with it despite seeing the counterarguments (the good ones haven't even been raised in this thread); but telling somebody that you can't put up a poster that says, well, ANYTHING because "it's offensive" is Big Brother-esque. Screw that PC bullshit, man; you guys aren't even arguing about the fucking First Amendment anymore. John was right. This is a waste of a thread.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
I cannot believe some of you think that putting posters up in a school building, no matter what they say, is unconstitutional. Bullshit. How is a student's action a state-sponsored endorsement of religion? You're really stretching that one, guys.

No wonder America is up in arms. "TEH PPL W/O G0D ARE TAKING 0VER TEH WORLD!!1!!" I was appalled at some of the things that people were saying who had written into the newspaper and called the news, because I thought this was a First Amendment issue, but I suppose I was wrong--there really is anti-establishment sentiment in a lot of non-Christians, and you guys are going out of your way to utterly eliminate religion from public forums, which is NOT the same thing, at all, as trying to prevent a teacher to lead a state-mandated pledge with the words "under God" in it. This Pledge decision isn't popular, but I agree with it despite seeing the counterarguments (the good ones haven't even been raised in this thread); but telling somebody that you can't put up a poster that says, well, ANYTHING because "it's offensive" is Big Brother-esque. Screw that PC bullshit, man; you guys aren't even arguing about the fucking First Amendment anymore. John was right. This is a waste of a thread.

Wow, you just said a whole buncha shit I was trying to say earlier... thanks. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

There's a point when people can be just a little TOO PC. One extreme is just as bad as the other.

Wowie, 6 pages, this is the longest thread I've ever started...

[This message has been edited by BeautifulLoser (edited 06-30-2002).]

Eulogy 06-30-2002 11:28 AM

Half the posts in this thread.

bonsor 06-30-2002 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Eulogy:
Half the posts in this thread.

BeautifulLoser's http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif.

J/K!!! J/K!!! I JEST!!!

peabody 06-30-2002 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
How is a student's action a state-sponsored endorsement of religion? You're really stretching that one, guys.



it's on a state owned wall!!!!

tweedyburd 06-30-2002 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants:
I cannot believe some of you think that putting posters up in a school building, no matter what they say, is unconstitutional. Bullshit. How is a student's action a state-sponsored endorsement of religion? You're really stretching that one, guys.

No wonder America is up in arms. "TEH PPL W/O G0D ARE TAKING 0VER TEH WORLD!!1!!" I was appalled at some of the things that people were saying who had written into the newspaper and called the news, because I thought this was a First Amendment issue, but I suppose I was wrong--there really is anti-establishment sentiment in a lot of non-Christians, and you guys are going out of your way to utterly eliminate religion from public forums, which is NOT the same thing, at all, as trying to prevent a teacher to lead a state-mandated pledge with the words "under God" in it. This Pledge decision isn't popular, but I agree with it despite seeing the counterarguments (the good ones haven't even been raised in this thread); but telling somebody that you can't put up a poster that says, well, ANYTHING because "it's offensive" is Big Brother-esque. Screw that PC bullshit, man; you guys aren't even arguing about the fucking First Amendment anymore. John was right. This is a waste of a thread.

It's the clear-thinking liberal minded people like you and Graveflower that keep these threads from teetering on the edge of ridiculous. Thanks, and I agree with everything you said there. I just didn't have the energy last night.



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