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bonsor 06-30-2002 02:54 AM
I, personally, have no problem at all with people running extra-curricular clubs that focus on a specific religion, even if it was headed by a faculty member, because it is not during school hours and it's totally voluntary.

However, if it was the Math club, and the teacher started spurting out bible verses, I would have a problem with that, because it's irrelevant, and it takes place in a government institution.

[This message has been edited by ****** (edited 06-30-2002).]

Irrelevant 06-30-2002 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
Seriously, I don't see it.
let me try it this way:

when someone tells me "walk and talk and pray with jesus" i feel like a black person being called a nigger. i feel talked down to.

Graveflower 06-30-2002 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by kypper:
you had me until the posters. NO ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION IN A GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION. Sheesh.
But that's not state endorsed. It's not beating people over the head with religion like I think the loudspeaker thing is. It's a school group, and they're allowed to INVITE people to join just like the A/V club is.

kypper 06-30-2002 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by funnygeezus:
that's the perfect world? sheesh, i always would've thought it was free of violence or predjudice or something.

so let me get this straight: religious people actually can't refrain from praying and "spreading" their ideology at inappropriate times, they just kind of do so spontaniously? that would explain alot.
It does, doesn't it? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by kypper:
Because your fundamental rights and constitutions, the original ones, state that religion and state should be separate. They don't state that about politics. Simple as that.
You're as intolerant as the 59% that say that government should endorce religion.

kypper 06-30-2002 02:56 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Graveflower:
But that's not state endorsed. It's not beating people over the head with religion like I think the loudspeaker thing is. It's a school group, and they're allowed to INVITE people to join just like the A/V club is.
Ah, but have you ever seen these posters? they say shit like "Abortion is wrong!", "Sinners Repent" and "Love Jesus and make the world a better place. Then join our club."
Sorry, but that's offensive and endorsement.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 02:57 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ******:
I, personally, have no problem at all with people running extra-curricular clubs that focus on a specific religion, even if it was headed by a faculty member, because it is not during school hours and it's totally voluntary.

However, if it was the Math club, and the teacher started spurting out bible verses, I would have a problem with that, because it's irrelevant, and it takes place in a government institution.

[This message has been edited by ****** (edited 06-30-2002).]
I agree with you

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 02:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irrelevant:
let me try it this way:

when someone tells me "walk and talk and pray with jesus" i feel like a black person being called a nigger. i feel talked down to.
*shrugs* That's your personal opinion... if someone were to try to persuade me over to their religion or whatever, I'd just say "no thanks" and think nothing of it... but hey, that's your personal opinion.

kypper 06-30-2002 02:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
You're as intolerant as the 59% that say that government should endorce religion.
No, I'm practical. I understand that people won't stop at the basic fundamental halted pendulum. I understand that people feel the need to make everyone else understand their own feelings.
Religion is a touchy issue that cannot be compared to a voting club. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif The authors of your constitution understood that, and, having seen the result of the catholic church on europe, corrected accordingly. Successing congresses proceeded to fuck those ideals up the ass.

Graveflower 06-30-2002 02:58 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by kypper:
Ah, but have you ever seen these posters? they say shit like "Abortion is wrong!", "Sinners Repent" and "Love Jesus and make the world a better place. Then join our club."
Sorry, but that's offensive and endorsement.
Ok, that shouldn't be allowed. If shit like that is being spouted, the teacher should make the students change the posters, because that is offensive.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:00 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by kypper:
Ah, but have you ever seen these posters? they say shit like "Abortion is wrong!", "Sinners Repent" and "Love Jesus and make the world a better place. Then join our club."
Sorry, but that's offensive and endorsement.
Um, no... they say things like "You're invited to Bible Club, 7:30am in the Library, Donuts and Orange Juice provided for Breakfast"

Irrelevant 06-30-2002 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
*shrugs* That's your personal opinion... if someone were to try to persuade me over to their religion or whatever, I'd just say "no thanks" and think nothing of it... but hey, that's your personal opinion.
you're also not a minority. you're not looked down upon by the majority.

kypper 06-30-2002 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
Um, no... they say things like "You're invited to Bible Club, 7:30am in the Library, Donuts and Orange Juice provided for Breakfast"
You haven't seen the posters at highschools and universities around here.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by kypper:
No, I'm practical. I understand that people won't stop at the basic fundamental halted pendulum. I understand that people feel the need to make everyone else understand their own feelings.
Religion is a touchy issue that cannot be compared to a voting club. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif The authors of your constitution understood that, and, having seen the result of the catholic church on europe, corrected accordingly. Successing congresses proceeded to fuck those ideals up the ass.
You know, some people actually practice their religion outside of church... when you tell them they flat out can't (I understand the loudspeaker thing, that's not what I'm talking about), that's just plain ignorance.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:01 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Graveflower:
Ok, that shouldn't be allowed. If shit like that is being spouted, the teacher should make the students change the posters, because that is offensive.
Definitely. *I* would find that offensive.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
you're also not a minority. you're not looked down upon by the majority.
*shrug* True.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by kypper:
You haven't seen the posters at highschools and universities around here.
Well then, I *would* say that that's wrong. But seriously, I've never heard of that anywhere else... shit like that would get taken down in a split second anywhere else.

kypper 06-30-2002 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
You know, some people actually practice their religion outside of church... when you tell them they flat out can't (I understand the loudspeaker thing, that's not what I'm talking about), that's just plain ignorance.
and your point in relation to my argument was...?

Graveflower 06-30-2002 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by kypper:
You haven't seen the posters at highschools and universities around here.
If it's at a university, it kind of isn't prohibited by law.

But high schools, that's clearly ridiculous. Are the laws regarding this the same in Canada? I'm just wondering since you're so into this. :\

tweedyburd 06-30-2002 03:06 AM
This thread was a complete disappointment.

Graveflower 06-30-2002 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by kypper:
and your point in relation to my argument was...?
The fact that you're for completely disallowing any form of religion in school. Her point was that it's unfair to want to keep kids from having prayer groups on their own, and that you're essentially saying that prayer should be restricted to church, and not even all Christians go to Churh.

I wish I was better at expressing this stuff.

Irrelevant 06-30-2002 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by tweedyburd:
This thread was a complete disappointment.
what a cop out.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:08 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by kypper:
and your point in relation to my argument was...?
Telling people they can't pray or have little groups that get together to pray PERIOD at school is infringing on the religious rights of those people.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:09 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Graveflower:
The fact that you're for completely disallowing any form of religion in school. Her point was that it's unfair to want to keep kids from having prayer groups on their own, and that you're essentially saying that prayer should be restricted to church, and not even all Christians go to Churh.

I wish I was better at expressing this stuff.
Hell, you said it better than I did...

tweedyburd 06-30-2002 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
what a cop out.
Nah, this thread's not even worth the energy of a cop out.

Edit: Oops...


[This message has been edited by tweedyburd (edited 06-30-2002).]

Graveflower 06-30-2002 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by tweedyburd:
Nah, this thread's not even worth the energy of a cop out.
Wow.

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:13 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by tweedyburd:
Nah, this thread's not even worth the energy of a cop out.

Edit: Oops...


[This message has been edited by tweedyburd (edited 06-30-2002).]
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif Aaw... you always word things so much better than I do.

tweedyburd 06-30-2002 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by BeautifulLoser:
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif Aaw...
<3

BeautifulLoser 06-30-2002 03:16 AM
Wow, this is the first serious debate I've had in quite a while...

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
EAT A BAG OF FUCK, HOMOLOVER.

http://216.40.201.38/contrib/ruinkai/screama.gif

Irrelevant 06-30-2002 03:17 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by tweedyburd:
Nah, this thread's not even worth the energy of a cop out.
what, are you disappointed we spent so much time trying to change the opinion of someone who is wrong?


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