Have you seen EWTN lately? Like the Angel Force isn't trying to influence kids into catholicism..

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"not ethically right?" I think that talking to kids about something this serious has been long overdue. What's not right is teaching kids that non-Christians are going to burn in "hell" and that guns are cool. The values of the people that are opposed to this show are what's scary to me.

B.T.W.: Jerry Falwell is an ignorant,bigoted bastard.


I'm so tired of the Christian religion in general.

dont know what EWTN is, never heard of Angel Force, but just because they do it doesnt make it right for nickolodeon to do it

underestimating the intelligence of children is pretty low, even for you.

I understnd that you're trying to be fair about it, but it's a special on tolerance where same sex parenting is the example. It's anti-hate. Not progay.

Yup. 12-14 is when children tend to start questioning fundamentals like religion. Information is the best thing they can have.

even for me? dunno what else ive done that was low, but, um, thanks

and 12 year olds (or at least the standard, non-prodigy variety of 12-year olds) dont have the mental machinery required to handle a discussion like that. and even if they did have the aptitude they still lack the actual ability to handle it, since they wont have the vocabulary, experience, or conceptual framework yet. this would be why 12 year olds dont vote

I'm just saying that loads of kids' TV shows have some kind of message behind them. At least in this one they aren't even trying to be subtle.

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Right, right. I mean, Nickelodeon is trying to address the issue as responsibly as possible.

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but it will be pro-gay, because if there was even a possibility that it was anti-gay every left-wing group and half this board would be going nuts. i dunno, maybe it will be somewhat balanced, we wont know til they air it. if it does turn out to be balanced then ill take back everything ive posted in this thread and admit that i was wrong, but until then im going to remain somewhat leery of the idea

This is not a black and white world. It can be neither and simply be accepting homosexual parents.

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in that case, it isn't the special you're against, it's the whole "nick news" show. because the show is all about explaining different viewpoints on pertinent issues in ways that kids can comprehend it.

also, your "6-12 year olds can't handle this" makes me a bit uncomfortable...that's not very far from the falwells who say we have to "protect our children" from same-sex "evils". six and twelve are not at all comparable as far as comprehension goes--those are pretty formative years, actually, so age twelve can handle things that a seven year old is still worlds away from. i'd say nine and up kids ARE old enough to comprehend this stuff, and if they aren't presented with different viewpoints in a mature way, they learn about it from kids at school. i.e., they learn about it when they learn how to use the word "fag".

i knew i was bisexual when i was twelve. but it would have been wrong, or just WEIRD for anybody to try and talk to me about it...right?

a) what relevance did that have to the post you quoted?

b) duh. everyone *else* in this thread realized this wasnt a black and white issue and that there were two conflicting moral issues here. but i suppose you'd like a gold star for pointing out the obvious?

c) if you're going to try to post something profound you should try to keep your grammar above the 6th grade level. its more convincing that way

You make it a black and white issue, asshole. If you having a fucking problem with me, then come to ottawa and let me rip out your heart and feed it to my dog. In the meantime, stop being such a prick unprovoked.

Delta is the only in this thread making sense.

This type of thing is the epitome of the left's attack on free minds and free speech--causes they are supposed to champion. While an "anti-hate" program educating children on tolerance is a noble cause, I, like Delta do not agree with the means. At it's core, it's fundamentally an attempt at thought control. Opinions at their core cannot be wiped out by conditioning programs like this one. Even more dangerous, perhaps, is the supression of an opinion forming into cognitive rage later on in life. The risks of programs like this, not only in regards to this subject matter, but also in numerous other edgey subjects, far outweigh the benefits. The real befefits lie in allowing children to learn to form their own opinions and then deal with those directly in an open manner. The only way things like homophobia and other forms of hate can be dealt with in a way that brings change in thought is through an open flow of discussion, not instilled values at a young age.

It's like the Thought Police, only from the other side of the street. Get 'em while they're young.



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why don't you just take out your white flag and leave us? Conservative ninnie.

I am so happy that I'm not the only person on this earth who would love to see that man impaled on a stake.

Oh, did anyone hear about how Sweden is trying to pass a law that will send people to JAIL if they utter something even remotely unfavorable about an 'alternative lifestyle'?

im unfamiliar with nickolodeon, i dont watch much tv and dont even get that channel, so i dont really know about nick news or its format. im going to sidestep commenting on it because i honestly dont know enough about it to say anything close to intelligent, and we already have kypper posting in this thread, so theres more than enough inane gibberish here already

re: the ages. ok, for the sake of argument ill give you that 12 year olds can handle it. but what about the rest of the 6-12 age group that'll be watching? will they be able to handle the issues critically?

and theres a difference between being in a situation and being forced to live it and just passively watching a tv broadcast. obviously there are children being raised by same sex parents (which i think is hunky-dory, honestly), and im not saying those kids shouldnt be involved in the discussion, im just saying i dont think nickolodeon is going to present an unbiased enough perspective to really help any kids understand it. at best there'll be no impact, at worst they're going to indoctrinate a bunch of children

Still, 100,000 e-mails?

It's not like they're airing a half-hour videotape of people humping giant plaster reproductive organs while the words, "We're homo. Deal with it." continuously scroll across the bottom of the screen.

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and yet I haven't contradicted myself in this thread, whereas you have.

Same here. Falwell likes to pretend that he's such a loving and swell guy and that makes me even angrier than the things that he's said.

Organized religion is one of mankind's greatest fallacies.

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Well, it's a pretty bold move on the part of Nickelodeon. They will probably lose a lot of viewers because of this special. I know a lot of families who would do that. While it may not be ethically right for children's network to air this special, I like the fact that they're making the decision to try and influence the next generation to be just a little more tolerant.

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I agree. The world is changing, and we can't continue to feed children with stereotypical families and situations. The younger they are educated about differences between people, the more they will learn to accept, tolerate and respect other people.

On a personal note, I recently visited my cousins in Georgia, and I was really shocked to hear my 7 year old cousin make the comment, "powerpuff girls are gay". This comment was not offensive to me...but I can see how it would be to a gay person. I'm sure that there are people in this world (and on this board) who would be offended at the comment "That band sucked, they were so JEWISH".

Maybe by slowly assimilating pieces of the "real" world into childrens programming, we will eventually be able to change some children (and parents) into more tolerant beings. By promoting discussion, we can get the issue into the media.

It is no longer taboo to talk about racial differences on television, why should it be in terms of sexuality? Ignorance and hatred are similar, regardless of who they are aimed at.

*jenn*

are you dense? how am i conservative? in case you havent noticed, im further to the left than anyone else in this thread

Kids learning about same sex parenting at that age ?

You teach kids what it means to be gay, to be heterosexual, to love, to have sex, before you teach them how to raise a kid under their sexual identity.

LOL

I'm not offended by that as much as I am disturbed by the fact that particularly teenagers and pre-teens, while not attempting to be blatantly anti-homo, are making those subconscious connections between words like "gay" and "fag," and "bad."

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you havent contradicted yourself because you havent made any attempt at addressing the topic, you're just spouting off your typical garbage ***'ing. its easy to be consistent when you only have the insight of a partially dethawed eggo

but just to play along, where's my contradiction?

What the hell, is that really true? I have to go look that up.

most people are not sure of their sexual identity until they are in their teens... why is it so wrong to teach kids that gay people do live in this world, and that gay people do not wish to rape them...and that if they or one of their friends turns out to be gay- that is not a crime?

At birth, we give children gender assignments. We teach them what it is like to be a "typical" boy or girl. We teach them at an early age that there people of all different colors and religions. We teach them to be proud of their own culture, but informed and respecting of other cultures... why the hell shouldn't we teach them about homosexuality?