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scouse_dave 05-09-2002 08:27 PM

Why do you think that throughout history, people have disliked the jews?
 
following on from suze's latest post which stated that few things have been as durable as anti-semitism

why do you think this is?

suze, the floor is yours

nevermind 05-09-2002 08:29 PM

because you stupid fuck. people, all people, are pure idiots.

then again, with you being one of them, that means you need to come up with a witty yet passive bad-ass remark. *nods*

13 05-09-2002 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scouse_dave:


why do you think this is?

suze, the floor is yours

shut up



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scouse_dave 05-09-2002 08:30 PM

ahh, cos of people like nevermind...

i see

scouse_dave 05-09-2002 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 13:
shut up

i've got news for you: no

undivinemartyr 05-09-2002 08:31 PM

Well, it could be because people were jealous of how rich some of them could be? Because people can't deal with differences. No idea.

(This was inspired by something I said?). : )

13 05-09-2002 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
i've got news for you: no

you suck



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undivinemartyr 05-09-2002 08:32 PM

<3

scouse_dave 05-09-2002 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 13:
you suck

ok then


undivinemartyr 05-09-2002 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 13:
you suck

HE DIDN'T FUCKING SAY HE WAS A NAZI, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. HE WAS JUST STARTING A CONTROVERSIAL THREAD. MY GOD.

undivinemartyr 05-09-2002 08:34 PM

I'm sorry. Excuse me. I shouldn't have said that. I don't believe in god.

Debaser 05-09-2002 08:34 PM

for every race you can find people that hate them if you look hard enough.

Elvis The Fat Years 05-09-2002 08:35 PM

http://cheez125.homestead.com/files/jewz.jpg

13 05-09-2002 08:35 PM

controversy is one thing, but being rude is quite another, and just plain senseless

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ravenguy2000 05-09-2002 08:35 PM

They killed Jesus, or something?

scouse_dave 05-09-2002 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 13:
controversy is one thing, but being rude is quite another, and just plain senseless

care to point out my rudeness?


Samsa 05-09-2002 08:36 PM

well, the common concept is scapegoating and jews being in the wrong place at the wrong time. since jews have been without a homeland for 2000 years they have you know, as you all know, had to rely on the "kindness of strangers" for a homeland.

so, you have a group of people living in a country that is decidedly *different* from everyone else (traditional judaism is very anti-assimilation), and a lot of the countries these people were living in were plain and simply, corrupt. so , the basic concept of a corrupt government is you find something for the people to hate that isn't the government, basically tell them that it's THEIR fault, you know. like the classic scapegoat thing and like in 1984. so that's one reason. like that's what russia did. they sponsored antisemitism so that people wouldn't realize that it was the czar who was oppressing the masses. that's wha thappened..there were these chelminicki massacres where , i forget. the jews were the tax-collectors for these rich polish landlords and the cossacks rose up and killed the jews. and then i think the poles killed the jews too i forget. so that's one excuse.

the other issue, it sort of ties into it, is christian antisemitism. which i guess possibly started with the scapegoat thing? i mean somehow it's in the bible that the jews killed christ. so..yeah. the two tie together but you have these people living in christian countries that are basically *heretics* , and they don't have a homeland so they aren't a *country* simply a pitiful group of people. and...

i dunno. there are a billion examples. you have the black death and people couldn't figure out what caused it so they figured it was the jews. i guess that's a combination of scape-goating and maybe christian antisemitism.

and...i know this post i sjumping all over. this is why i like to quote other people cuz i don't make sense.

i guess the basic concept is you have a country-less people with different customs as everyone else that refuse to assimilate. and you have the biblical perspective and you have, i don't know why the fuck martin luther felt the urge tow rite a book called 'the jews and their lies' but he did, and, see i'm babbling so lemme find something that makes more sense.

13 05-09-2002 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
care to point out my rudeness?


so you are senseless


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ZERO 05-09-2002 08:37 PM

Religious battles have been ongoing since the start of time. This is a really retarded thread.

My Igloo 05-09-2002 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scouse_dave:
i've got jews for you: no


kypper 05-09-2002 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samsa:
well, the common concept is scapegoating and jews being in the wrong place at the wrong time. since jews have been without a homeland for 2000 years they have you know, as you all know, had to rely on the "kindness of strangers" for a homeland.

so, you have a group of people living in a country that is decidedly *different* from everyone else (traditional judaism is very anti-assimilation), and a lot of the countries these people were living in were plain and simply, corrupt. so , the basic concept of a corrupt government is you find something for the people to hate that isn't the government, basically tell them that it's THEIR fault, you know. like the classic scapegoat thing and like in 1984. so that's one reason. like that's what russia did. they sponsored antisemitism so that people wouldn't realize that it was the czar who was oppressing the masses. that's wha thappened..there were these chelminicki massacres where , i forget. the jews were the tax-collectors for these rich polish landlords and the cossacks rose up and killed the jews. and then i think the poles killed the jews too i forget. so that's one excuse.

the other issue, it sort of ties into it, is christian antisemitism. which i guess possibly started with the scapegoat thing? i mean somehow it's in the bible that the jews killed christ. so..yeah. the two tie together but you have these people living in christian countries that are basically *heretics* , and they don't have a homeland so they aren't a *country* simply a pitiful group of people. and...

i dunno. there are a billion examples. you have the black death and people couldn't figure out what caused it so they figured it was the jews. i guess that's a combination of scape-goating and maybe christian antisemitism.

and...i know this post i sjumping all over. this is why i like to quote other people cuz i don't make sense.

i guess the basic concept is you have a country-less people with different customs as everyone else that refuse to assimilate. and you have the biblical perspective and you have, i don't know why the fuck martin luther felt the urge tow rite a book called 'the jews and their lies' but he did, and, see i'm babbling so lemme find something that makes more sense.

Shut the fuck up, retard.
You are always such a one-sided, babbling moron... why don't you actually do some research and maybe a little independent thought before you post.
ravenguy2000 05-09-2002 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 13:
so you are senseless




you make me want to punch myself in the kidneys.

scouse_dave 05-09-2002 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 13:
so you are senseless

er, no. point out where i was rude to the jews or to anyone else for that matter

show the board what a rude bigoted person i am!!! earn yourself some kudos for proving me wrong!!!

oh, wait...you can't

FuzzyLogic 05-09-2002 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nevermind:
because you stupid fuck. people, all people, are pure idiots.

then again, with you being one of them, that means you need to come up with a witty yet passive bad-ass remark. *nods*

soo... since you are a person, and therefore one of them also... that explains, well, alot.



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NinjaTurtle 05-09-2002 08:41 PM

back in the day jews ran most political aspects of cities. they were the treasurers, doctors, city council, etc. so when everything would fuck up in the town it was all because jews were in charge. so everyone hated jews.

Samsa 05-09-2002 08:42 PM

(idea) by Frater 219 (print) ? 1 C! Thu Jul 12 2001 at 02:44:12 UTC


The term "anti-semitism" was coined by German agitator Wilhelm Marr, who founded the League for Anti-Semitism in 1879. Marr advocated pseudoscientific biological and anthropological ideas which held the "Jewish race" inferior to the "Aryan" or "Teutonic" race. He created the term "anti-semitism" to distinguish this secular hatred of the "Jewish race" from earlier religious prejudice against Judaism.
What was this earlier prejudice? Prior to the 19th century, prejudice against Jews was largely founded upon suspicion of their religion and its practices, or of their insularity as a community. The Catholic Church taught that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ, and that their rejection of Christianity was an ongoing affront to God. (Indeed, some anti-Jewish doctrines remained in the Catholic catechism and liturgy up through the 1960s.) In Spain and France, the Inquisition tortured or killed openly Jewish men and women who would not convert. Martin Luther and other Protestant leaders fulminated against the Jewish community both as Christ-killers and as conspirators. Many European Christians believed the myth now known as the blood libel -- the idea that Jews drank human blood (or specifically that of unbaptized Christian children) in their religious rituals. Many Christian Europeans also suspected Jews of economic collusion and political conspiracy -- allegations still parroted today by anti-semitic conspiracy theorists. It was this cultural ********** which formed the environment for later racial anti-semitism.

Since Marr's time, and particularly since the time of the Holocaust, the term "anti-semitism" has come to refer to any form of prejudice against Jews -- whether racial, theological, economic, or otherwise. Some Zionists have attempted to broaden the term to ******* political opposition to the modern nation of Israel, although this is more accurately anti-Zionism.

In the Western world today, anti-semitism is thankfully rare. It is chiefly represented in so-called "hate groups" -- clubs, churches, and gangs focused on their hatred for racial and religious minorities. Examples ******* America's Ku Klux Klan and World Church of the Creator; England's National Front; small neo-Nazi gangs throughout Europe; and Scandinavia's White Power organizations and racial nationalist political parties.



ZERO 05-09-2002 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NinjaTurtle:
back in the day jews ran most political aspects of cities. they were the treasurers, doctors, city council, etc. so when everything would fuck up in the town it was all because jews were in charge. so everyone hated jews.

hehehe you are funneh.

kypper 05-09-2002 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samsa:
(idea) by Frater 219 (print) ? 1 C! Thu Jul 12 2001 at 02:44:12 UTC


The term "anti-semitism" was coined by German agitator Wilhelm Marr, who founded the League for Anti-Semitism in 1879. Marr advocated pseudoscientific biological and anthropological ideas which held the "Jewish race" inferior to the "Aryan" or "Teutonic" race. He created the term "anti-semitism" to distinguish this secular hatred of the "Jewish race" from earlier religious prejudice against Judaism.
What was this earlier prejudice? Prior to the 19th century, prejudice against Jews was largely founded upon suspicion of their religion and its practices, or of their insularity as a community. The Catholic Church taught that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ, and that their rejection of Christianity was an ongoing affront to God. (Indeed, some anti-Jewish doctrines remained in the Catholic catechism and liturgy up through the 1960s.) In Spain and France, the Inquisition tortured or killed openly Jewish men and women who would not convert. Martin Luther and other Protestant leaders fulminated against the Jewish community both as Christ-killers and as conspirators. Many European Christians believed the myth now known as the blood libel -- the idea that Jews drank human blood (or specifically that of unbaptized Christian children) in their religious rituals. Many Christian Europeans also suspected Jews of economic collusion and political conspiracy -- allegations still parroted today by anti-semitic conspiracy theorists. It was this cultural ********** which formed the environment for later racial anti-semitism.

Since Marr's time, and particularly since the time of the Holocaust, the term "anti-semitism" has come to refer to any form of prejudice against Jews -- whether racial, theological, economic, or otherwise. Some Zionists have attempted to broaden the term to ******* political opposition to the modern nation of Israel, although this is more accurately anti-Zionism.

In the Western world today, anti-semitism is thankfully rare. It is chiefly represented in so-called "hate groups" -- clubs, churches, and gangs focused on their hatred for racial and religious minorities. Examples ******* America's Ku Klux Klan and World Church of the Creator; England's National Front; small neo-Nazi gangs throughout Europe; and Scandinavia's White Power organizations and racial nationalist political parties.



Ok, that's research... 50% there. Try independent thought now (that WAS the most important part).

scouse_dave 05-09-2002 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NinjaTurtle:
back in the day jews ran most political aspects of cities. they were the treasurers, doctors, city council, etc. so when everything would fuck up in the town it was all because jews were in charge. so everyone hated jews.

oh really, jews ran the political aspects of cities all over the world?

i did not know that. thankyou.


kypper 05-09-2002 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZERO:
hehehe you are funneh.

He's right though... that is why a lot of people hate the Jews. That is what they are stereotypically known to be... and everyone hates the penny-pinchers.

Kind of stupid in this day and age, isn't it?

Samsa 05-09-2002 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kypper:
Shut the fuck up, retard.
You are always such a one-sided, babbling moron... why don't you actually do some research and maybe a little independent thought before you post.

okay. so i have to do research AND independent thought?

and what i posted wasn't true? whatever. k. you are officially on my ignore list. cuz you're stupid. bye.


[This message has been edited by Samsa (edited 05-09-2002).]

itim 05-09-2002 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kypper:

Kind of stupid in this day and age, isn't it?

not as stupid as you, jew

kypper 05-09-2002 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by itim:
not as stupid as you, jew

Yup... you got me... an atheist jew... gotta love the irony in that.

Samsa 05-09-2002 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kypper:
He's right though... that is why a lot of people hate the Jews. That is what they are stereotypically known to be... and everyone hates the penny-pinchers.

Kind of stupid in this day and age, isn't it?


he's not right though because what he said was practically 100% wrong.

jews are stereotyped by people like you as penny-pinchers BECAUSE

christianity says usury is wrong. usury is the custom of lending money

therefore, christian societies basically excluded jews from all professions except that of money-lending.



itim 05-09-2002 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kypper:
Yup... you got me... an atheist jew... gotta love the irony in that.

and the homoeroticism, fag

Samsa 05-09-2002 08:50 PM

oops i forgot i was ignoring you

Samsa 05-09-2002 08:50 PM

http://www.igc.apc.org/ddickerson/antisemitism.html

Samsa 05-09-2002 08:53 PM

well i'm not gonna post everything but here it is

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/lazare-anti.html

undivinemartyr 05-09-2002 08:54 PM

Wow, Dave. This thread got to two pages in minutes. I'm watching Charmed, I have a feeling this is gonna be a good episode!!!


I know a very beautiful Jewish girl.

kypper 05-09-2002 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samsa:

he's not right though because what he said was practically 100% wrong.

jews are stereotyped by people like you as penny-pinchers BECAUSE

christianity says usury is wrong. usury is the custom of lending money

therefore, christian societies basically excluded jews from all professions except that of money-lending.


I DO NOT STEREOTYPE JEWS TO BE MONEY LENDERS, FUCKWIT. I SAID THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE STEREOTYPICALLY THOUGHT TO BE WHICH HAS CAUSED A LOT OF THE ANTISEMATISM

You are such a fucking moron.


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