Brad..I can't stand some of your opinions on baseball. This Matt Reeder guy is alright though..

no!

Some of these aren't really Mets homegrown, despite the fact they broke into the Majors with the Mets. Agbayani and Perez both played in Japan before coming over to the Mets...would you consider Ichiro a Seatle home grown talent?

As for the other three, only Payton is a recent homegrown acquisiton...Alfonzo and Ordonez have both played for a good while now..I belive the reference wasto the Mets throwing away their CURRENT homegrown talent, which they have little (although I agree, losing Riggan was a blow).

Didn't you just say that Escobar was a freeswinging career 4th outfielder? Escobar has been the great farm hope of the Mets for years, and I think his moment has passed. As a Met fan, I'm more than happy to see him go for Alomar.


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AIM: nu100

The Phillies will surprise you all.

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This is just a modern rock song,
This is just a sorry lament,
We're four boys in our corduroys,
We're not terrific but we're competent.

Let's take a look at the Red Sox and Yankees lineups side by side

C- Varitek vs. Posada- Varitek wins. Posada is weak defensively. Tek is one of the best catchers in the league.
1B- Clark vs. Johnson- Clark wins.
2B- Soriano vs. Offerman- hmmm...Soriano's young, Offerman's had a great spring. tough one.
3B- Hillenbrand vs. Ventura- Ventura's past his prime. Hillenbrand's an emerging solid player. Hilldenbrand gets the win.
SS- Garciaparra vs. Jeter- I can't stand Derek Jeter. he's overrated. Nomar wins.
LF- Ramirez vs. White- no question. Manny is better.
CF- Damon vs. Williams- both good. I say tie.
RF- Nixon vs. Spencer- Trot's my favorite player. he's a real baseball player. He gets the win.
DH- Daubach vs. Giambi- yeah yeah, Giambi wins.

Red Sox rotation
Martinez
Hermanson
Burkett
Lowe
Castillo/Oliver

Yankees rotation
Clemens
Mussina
O. Hernandez
Pettite
Lily

Sox win. hands down. Clemens is old. he should not have been the Cy Young winner last year.

ADVANTAGE- BOSTON



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Wow, you're an idiot. I like how because someone is your favorite player it makes them better. Lets take a logical look at the rundown now:

Catcher - Last I checked Varitek only played 51 games last year. Lets see him come back and do something before you claim him as being better than Posada (who may I add is an All Star catcher).

1B - First off, Giambi is on first. Even with Johnson on first though, its not clear cut for the Sox. Johnson is probably the most touted prospect, anticipated as the frontrunner for rookie of the year. Clark is established, but would you call him a power hitter? He had only 75 RBI and 16 HR last year. This one is close.

2B - No contest. Soriano was runner up rookie of the year. He steals bases like crazy, has cleaned up defensively, shows power and has good baseball instinct. His main problem (strikeouts/plate discipline) is something that is easily correctable and comes with age/maturity. Offerman is a mediocre player at best.

SS - Hate to break it to you, even when Nomar is healthy, Jeter is better. That said, Nomar was out the entire season last year. Lets see what he does come April and then we can decide. Regardless, Nomar and Jeter are 2 of the 3 best SS in the league. I give this to the Yanks based on Nomar's injury.

3B - This one is close. Ventura is slumping, but he's still an amazing player. Hillenbrand is no prodigy. He put up deplorable numbers last year. Basically it's the best of the worst here.

LF - I'll give that to you.

CF - Not even close! Bernie is one of the best CF in the game. Damon had a horrible year last year. Unless he can get on base more often and move himself over with a good amount of SB, Yanks take this category by a landslide.

RF - I'll give it to you because although SPencer shows flashes of power he's inconsistant. VanderWal isn't anything that special.

DH - No contest. At least you admitted that. (This holds true considering Johnson will most likely DH).

Pitchers:

You have 1 stud coming off a season ending injury (and who is apparently showing stiffness in his spring outings). You have a 5th starter who is a converted closer. You have a couple people thrown together to resemble a bullpen.

No, just no.

For the Yanks, lets see. We have last year's Cy Young winner, who even I will admit wont do as well this year, but Clemens is still going to win 15-18 games. Mussina is one of the finest pitchers in the game. Pettitte is a stud. David Wells is a repeated 20 game winner who has lost weight, still a wild card though (as is Sterling Hitch****). El Duque has had an amazing spring and looks to regain his from from 2-3 years ago. Its funny that you didn't mention the bullpen in your original post. Because we basically own you. You have Urbina who is pretty good. We have the best closer in the game being setup by an All Star in Stanton, as well as solid relivers in Mendoza, Karsay, and Choate.

ADVANTAGE, AL EAST, ALDS, ALCS, WS CHAMPS - NY YANKEES

Game. Set. Match.



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You're optimistic as hell.

Yes, he is a free swinging career 4th outfielder. The reason why Indians are high on him is because they believe overwise. He hasn't had a chance at all really in the majors. But he had been awful in AAA.

He had been hyped as the great farm help for the Mets. But it became obvious that he isn't going to amount to those expectations and Phillips did the right thing and used him when his trade value was at his all-time highest and suckered Cleveland into giving up Alomar. Great move.

Yeah, some of you are way to optimistic about your own favorite team.

Yeah, Mark Wohlers just bounced back from similar control problems.

The kid is fucked, Wayne. He can't throw with confidence ever again.



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I already know it. I can't believe the Rangers lost him. They're running a Mickey Mouse outfit over there.

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(but that's what makes it fun)

ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? THE MAN DIDN'T LOSE A GAME UNTIL AUGUST. Do you expect Cy Young winners to throw no-hitters every game?

If you don't count his potential, yes Offerman is "better" than Soriano. But not by much. Offerman is lucky to be playing every day on a team like the Red Sox.

I don't see how you think Derek Jeter is "over-rated", he's a much better fielder than Nomar and they are the same level of hitter. But I'd still take Nomar over Jeter and even A-Rod for his passion and his love.

I don't know what alternate reality you live in where Damon Buford is as good as Bernie Williams. I find this so humorous, I shall leave it in my signature all season long.

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"CF- Damon vs. Williams- both good. I say tie." -- Nate the Grate

[This message has been edited by Mr. Rhinoceros (edited 03-22-2002).]

You're drunk. Just because the guy hit a cluch homer or two doesn't make him a good batter. The motherfucker can't hit righties, and lefties who can't hit righties are only good in clutch situations. Which doesn't make him better than Trot Nixon, one of the few hard working blue-collar hustle ball players left. Trotty-Trot-Trot-Trot.

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I still think he can. The man is 22 years old. They brought him up when he was 20, which in my opinion was a big mistake, especially when he was labeled as a potential head case if not treated carefully.
Most potential "ace" pitchers are usually given until the age of 25 to start making some kind of major progress towards being an ace. As far as I'm concerned keeping him in AAA for three years isn't the worst thing you can for him. I think they should seriously keep him in the minors this year and the next, maybe even AA. Cardinals tend to rush their prospects..

I just can't see a guy that throws high-90's great curve and great change of speeds just wasting away to nothing. Could you imagine being a 26 year old left handed bus boy with a 98mph fastball.

1. Clemens had lots of run support, okay ERA. if I find my Baseball Digest with the Cy Young stats I'll post more anti-Clemens
2. Nomar makes more errors because he goes after balls Jeter doesn't touch.
3. ...JOHNNY DAMON. NOT DAMON BUFORD!

by the way, no one should take my post seriously. there is so much Sox bias it isn't funny.

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Jay Payton is even funnier.

That fuck.