wow, I actually agree with Affectation on all his points

One word: Intense.

Just...I am glad I watched it tonight.

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Where are all the damn Dennys!

I missed it. I'd like to see it.

So shoot me.

I have a couple of things I'd like to add.

First, to whoever asked, there are documentaries about Pearl Harbor on every December 7th or so. Its called the History Channel. This year they added a new perspective to the attack by featuring the rescue efforts afterwards.

Next, as with any historical source, you have to consider the intentions behind it. The producers and makers of this show had reasons for including the information that they did, but there was also information that was left out. The intentions behind the source will inevitably produce a bias in the content we are given. Was this meant to stir up national sentiment? Most likely. It is critical to think about why this program wanted to do that. I doubt that it was to make sure that September 11th is remebered. More likely the producers were capitalizing on the interest with Septemebr 11 and trying to get ratings. Also, it does seem as if the program intended to generate support for the Government and military.

Finally, to compare the September 11th attacks to the Holocaust is pure ignorance in my opinion. The Germans devoted an entire Bureaucracy to exterminating Jews (among others) in the midst of a multi-front war. American culture was never truly threatened by the September 11th attacks. If anything, most people would probably agree that the attacks strengthened "the American spirit." Meanwhile, 90% of the Jews in Europe were no longer around after World War II. The intent of the Holocaust was to bring about the end of Jewish culture.

David

anyone in the UK know if we're gonna get to see it anytime soon???

the worst part was when they said all those crashing sounds were bodies.

where are you ??

agreed.

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Holy shit. I used to think that at minimum, you were slightly intelligent, but apparently you are not. Of course there are many differences. As well as quite a few correlations.

You're trying to pull off something like saying, "yeah, they don't have the planes in the buildings in the holocaust. They aren't the same."

The correlation is that quite a few people lost family in both events. Both were tragedies. And both left an entire planet with more questions than answers.

Grow the fuck up, imbecile.

sorry, but I think you're talking out of your arse. on a world-wide scale the September 11th attacks will never percieved as anywhere near as awfully tradgic as the holocaust. a whole entire race was almost fucking wiped-out for fuck sake, how the fuck can anyone comepare the two!?!?!?!? innocent people died in a shit way, that's the only thing the two have in common.

What exactly was left out? I think they showed quite a bit. It was a documentary created by two French guys who were following around some firefighters with the intention of making a documentary about firefighters. It was never meant to be something about 9-11...but it happened that way because they happened to be following around the firefighters that day. It wasn't a documentary put together by a bunch of different film people, thus, enabling all kind of different sides of the story to be shown...it was just the footage from those French guys.



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I'd like to hear some more detailed evidence to support your assertions. I thought the editing of the footage was very brutal and for the most part without pretense. What, precisely, are you arguing that they left out? The carnival? Kitties getting rescued from trees? As one of the cops on said on camera, it wasn't fucking disneyland down there, so I don't think anybody was hiding anything. If you're gonna run around making claims like "information was left out" then you have to back them up. Obviously watching the documentary was a different experience from watching unedited footage, as cuts were made, but what do you think you weren't being shown?

I think half the people in this thread haven't even seen it.

agreed. as for the documentary......i didnt watch it. all these programs, tributes, sticker, etc are cheapening the lives lost, in a way.

at least to me.



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I think I'm gonna go watch it now.

(I taped it)

"As with any historical source ... "

That sums it up right there. I don't know how many of you have worked in publications or the media before, but it's quite amazing how much one omitted word or added detail can completely change an entire article. We once had to change the word "about" to "regarding" in the paper order to avoid being threatened with a libel suit. I'm not saying the documentary was biased. From what I've seen, it wasn't. However, it's also not fair to completely dismiss the possibility. (Conspiracy theories of the government having a hand in it, however, are just bunk. Unless you're a socialist.)

Aff: Whenever we do any of these "what do you think about me?" posts, I generally get the same few things: "androgyny" from the people who don't like me due to my user name and "precise intelligence" or "logical" from the people who do. And obviously, you failed to put two and two together and realize that my comment on acid was meant to be ironic, mostly to dismiss you. A good friend of mine has tried every drug in the book, and I've seen her on most of them. I know my shit. How's that for illogic?

And, finally, thank you to Rhonda, who sort of got at what I was trying to say, and certainly said it better than I did.

This particular program didn't.



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I'm pleased that you included, "I think..." That basically sums up everything that you posted.

Contrary to your belief, there is no "Jewish race."

Are you trying to tell me that tragedies shouldn't be handled in the same way? Simply because a, in your eyes, mere 3000 people perished, we shouldn't desire to know the answers as to exactly what happened?

Get back to your blocks and crayons, and after you learn a little more, we can have a debate. Scrub.

It's nice to know that you base your "precise intelligence" on the opinions of others. I've yet to see anything other than your trademark copy and paste arguments.

Very nice.

Hey, let's save the argument for when they premiere September 11th, the Made-for-TV Movie.

I love the assholes on this thread asserting (with a retarded pretentious attitude) "I don't feel like watching it". If you dont watch it, no one else should want to. (Does the fucking word "selfish" ring a bell to you??)

And it was hardly a "movie of the week" prelude.

If'n ya didn't watch it, shuddup.

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People like you exist in the real world?

And Julio: only if I get to play George Bush.

You are already owned. Give it up.

1. Invective rarely, if ever, adds to the credulity of an argument.
2. He said nothing that hinted towards, at least in my eyes, there being a contest between which event was more tragic for families and friends.
3. My interp of llama's statement was that there was a government that set up an entire system to wipe out a large segment of its own population, and this isn't the case for 9-11, therefore perhaps the events needn't be compared except through the basis of a each being tragedies.


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um...I watched about half of it, I guess.

All I learned was that bodies hitting the ground from really high up make loud crashing noises.

What exactly was the point of this? To remind people what happened? Who really forgot?

I don't have a problem with it or anything...but it just seems kind of pointless. Or something.