all you people (who are complaing) are fucking whining bastards. Shut the fuck up. Don't bitch about everything, that was one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Stop your self loathing and self centered sh|t and grow up.

WHO GIVES A FUCK. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT OF AMERICAN HISTORY THAT I HAVE LIVED THROUGH. LIKE MY PARENTS IN VIETNAM, AND MY GRANDPARENTS DURING THE WORLD WARS AT WHATEVER COST I HAVE THE WANT/NEED TO KNOW WHATS GOING ON. WHETHER I GET THAT FROM CBS OUT OF GREED OR A FIRST HAND ACCOUNT I WANT/NEED TO KNOW. IF YOU DISAGREE GO PREACH SOMEWHERE ELSE I FOR ONE COULD GIVE A FUCK. I REMOTELY KNEW PEOPLE THAT DIED THAT DAY AND I NEED TO FUCKING KNOW. IM IN THE MILITARY... I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS IM SUPPOSED TO BE CARING ABOUT. IF YOU CANT FATHOM MY VIEWPOINT DONT COMMENT TO ME

Ladies and gentlemen, I offer, for $3.99 a pound, a prime cut of Proof For What I Just Posted.

And Clint, I understand to a certain extent where you're coming from, but I still don't think that makes it right. And out of my own curiosity, I turned it on and watched about fifteen minutes, and it was nothing earth-shattering or life-affirming that mattered that much. After two planes fly into a vast American monument, the details aren't that important anymore.

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you, my friend, are and idiot.

if its not important why post against it? Wouldn't someone as intellectually above us idiots as you are view speaking to us minions as a waste of time?

you should have edited the whole post...man you seem really heartless

I know I must come off like that, but that's not what I intended.

Just ... God, I wish I could explain myself better. There's just something about watching something over and over that we already know happened that just IRKS me. Voyeurism. The same reason why shows like Survivor make me want to puke ... I am sure there are people watching this who genuinely care. Like Clint. I really don't give a shit that he's watching; I understand.

But CBS is providing a forum for the majority of America to watch because they think they HAVE to, because they feel some sort of sick obligation ...

Fuck. Can somebody at least understand where I'm coming from? If you knew me, "heartless" would be the last adjective you'd use, especially regarding 9/11. It fucking tore my world apart, man.

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if you can understand why I want to watch why the fuck cant you understand why america wants to watch this? There are thousands of people who lost family members there, co-workers, etc there are MILLIONS of families who's sons and daughters are in the military and are doing whatever as a result of this. There are MILLIONS of parents who dont quite understand what went on that day that have kids to deal with.

i see much better what you meant. but it came across so harshly. i think a lot of us needed to see this for some reason. my dad was in nyc that day, and it was so scary. i needed to see this. at least cbs is not showing commercials. god, that would be disgusting.

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You guys, especially Clint the Army wannabe and Travis the Wigger, need to fucking stop your attack on R + S right now. Just because someone does not agree with you doesnt give you the right to start bitching at them. He is making his points quite clearly.

This video is nothing more than a production of CBS with help from the Pentagon. Its main purpose is to get people riled up again about the bombings so that they will continue to rally behind Bush and keep supporting this war effort. That way, we can continue to send our troops overseas so that they can continue to get killed, not by enemies mind you, but by our own faulty machinery. Unfortunately, this will succeed in the same way that all of Bush's other actions have succeeded in riling up the public.

The Bush people obviously had a huge hand in this video and I can prove it. There were no commercials. I can guarantee you that CBS isn't airing this for free, so they have to be getting reimbursed by someone for airing this tonight. And that someone can only be the US government. Also, the promo shots with Ridge further prove that.



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it was sponsored by nextel you shining example of american youth

That documentary showed footage that had never been seen before. It was a unique perspective. And a tribute to all the firefighters who did so much that day...and continue to do so much. If you watched DeNiro's thing there at the end, he said why the the filmmakers and CBS wanted this documentary to be shown. It was meant to be a showing of rememberance and strength and courage.

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Okay. Points conceeded. It still feels wrong, though; I can't explain why.

However, answer me this: I don't see how the documentary is going to make those millions of parents understand any better, though. I really don't. Maybe I've read more than the average American about what went down, but certainly as much as we squabble and disagree you have too, so ...

*sigh*

I just wish it had never happened in the first place.

see bluestars post

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wanna make out?

Fuck you.

Then pretend it didn't.

Dumbass.

It's all sort of a matter of processing this stuff. Some people are just going to want to see this sort of thing over and over again so that they can try to understand it, others won't want anything to do with it, a third group might begin to howl and gibber when they hear an airplane engine.

Personally, I thought it was pretty interesting. . . I watched the first hour and a half. . . until the two cameraman found each other. Just to sort of see all of that stuff from a different angle was worth it. . . I mean, inside the first tower -- that was amazing footage, as was the shot of the first plane, which I don't think I'd seen before. I didn't get to a T.V. until after tower 2 had come down, and didn't hear about it until the second plane had hit, so I thought it was really interesting to see sort of the early stages of things. The honesty and lack of sappiness in the narration and editing of the footage (for instance, the thuds of bodies hitting the street outside) gave the production enough integrity that it didn't feel voyeuristic to me. . . television at its best, I think.

i remember all the footage of the bodies falling out of the buildings. so fucking awful. and the stupid daily news was printing all sorts of awful things, like body parts mixed in amongst the rubble. of course, that was 6 months ago. most people i know are ok by now. i don't know. sometimes it still bothers me. i remember crying so much that day, i remember the smoke, i remember that fucking awful smell.
i remember thinking we were going to get nuked, poisoned, whatever. i remember taking the subway for the first time after then and that really creepy, cold feeling (literally cold) you got when you passed under the area that was once the world trade center (not directly under, mind you, but close enough). i remember having nightmares and not being able to sleep at night. i remember all those pictures of people who died plastered everywhere. i don't know what it matters, but it's still there. i don't know if we can even intellectualize about it now.

Raindrops, you said one thing (along with many others, but this thing stuck out) that bothered me. You said this documentary will bring out the "nationalistic diatribes". We're in the midst of a war that too many people are forgetting the cause of. If anything, this documentary once again reinvigorated the reasons why we are sacrificing what we are now (in soldiers lives, intense security, etc.). I have no problems with churning up some nationalism. It's not even opinionated, it's the bare truth, just as it happened.

Whoever said this was an amazing documentary is right. My family knew the chaplain that died. Now I saw exactly what happened and it just proves to me how much these men and women were heroes.

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i wasted all my years, been chasing all my fears

you're all a bunch of fucking pathetic weak pusssies. people in other countries deal and have dealt with this shit happening in their very own towns for ages.

BOO FUCKING HOO for all you whiny pieces of shit. im glad it affected you this way. christ.

Nice troll. Very smoothe. No one even noticed.

Patriotism and nationalism are two very, very distinct things. And the post-9/11 response was bordering very dangerously on nationalism. It bothered me then, it bothers me now, and quite frankly, it bothers me that it doesn't bother other people.

And while I don't disagree with a military response in Afghanistan, I don't think we're handling things as well as we could be, especially domestically with a lot of the anti-terrorism legislation, but that's a post that's been done far too much on these boards, and a topic that I don't feel like getting too much into right about now. Maybe sometime later, if you're still up for debate.

But for now, I'm going to sleep. So in summation, I'll be honest: the documentary just doesn't feel right to me, although I will say that I do understand why people would have wanted to watch it, and I certainly would not want to infringe on CBS' right to air it (I don't know if it came off like I would, but I just realized somebody might think that, and it's not true at all.) And I really am sorry if I upset anybody.

(Except Aff, who just needs to shut the fuck up and take another hit of acid.)