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blah blah blah... if you feel so against or for something go out and demonstrate or go do something about it.

I can assure you all, posting on netphoria will not solve the worlds problems.

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ooom papa

listen, unless pills is being sarcastic i fail to see the irony in the situation. and chris, if you, or if anyone can't see what a sack of shit that last statement was, then i seriously feel sorry for you.


so if someone blows a building up in america, he's a terrorist, but he does it in israel, he's a freedom fighter? whatever. what fucking ever.

No sarcasm you moron. If you follow up on these things you would know what i'm talking about. But then again, like what was said, arguing on netphoria with uninformed people won't solve the problems of today.

and i'll remind YOU that last year, before this recent intifada started, ehud barak offered to pull out of 95% of all occupied terrotories, and arafat said no.

jesus, you do realize that the ONLY reason 'nothing will be done' is because everyone else has this attitude too!! americans have themselves to blame, i suppose. it really helps that everyone's told to 'carpe diem' and not care about anything besides themselves (i.e. anything important). there is a portion of the population trying to prevent these incidents from happening, and they could use the help and attention and support of the vast majority of everyone else that thinks it's futile!

it's like not voting for someone because you think they'll lose.

don't you DARE spit one-sided propoganda like that and then call ME a moron. like i said, i have no idea who put this shit in your head but it really makes me sad that you'd believe that israel, and only israel is to blame for this problem.

Coincide with what? When I said they have a recognised history of human rights abuse against Palestines, or that they went against the UN twice to occupy more and more Palestinian territory? Sure it does, that's why I don't believe anyone should be backing Israel in what it's doing.

you statements are really lacking meaning. you can play around with words but it really won't affect my viewpoint. i suggest you read more about the history of the region, and/or put yourself in the shoes of people who have actually lived it. propoganda? dude that's all what you're about. every fucking word that comes out of your mouth is propoganda. you're so fucking double-standard it's scary.

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Clint, you missed the point - check my related topics and you will see, in depth, how. Nobody is claiming to change anything by posting - it's just talking - it's just, maybe, opening other people's eyes to something they didn't realize - MAYBE sparking someone TO do something. The process: think, speak, do.

And, how funny is that - you telling people to go do something about it, while people who go "do" something about it are considered terrorists now. You are in the military - you know what the problems are and you dedicate your life to supporting our own atrocities just the same - without blinking, as you're ordered by the chain of command - do your duty - don't question authority - risk your life without asking why - keep your mouth shut about the shit our military does - here, here's some propaganda for you to get excited about, to spark some ignorant malice. But hey, some of it does good, right?!

Interesting - that's exactly what I have been talking about in these posts and there is the military, a prime example of it...

Great post. Unfortunately, I can't answer your question as to what we should do. I've been wrestling with that for the past few weeks and I haven't been able to get a good step in any direction yet. If anyone has any ideas, post'em... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

i think you misunderstand why the US military is so successfull chad.... i treat this as a 9-5 job as do most of us in the military... the fact that we really dont care about much of what goes on is what helps us operate so well. I'll be god damned if im gonna die for this country thus the reason it makes me so willing to help kill those trying to make me die for it. See? I dont dedicate my waking moments to the US i work 9 hours a day, come home, drink a beer, mix a bit, fuck my girlfriend and move on.

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You must not see the enemy or be in any position where you'd be asked to go fight. I've known and still know people in the military and not one of them EVER described what you just did - it was actually the complete opposite - basically, how I described it in my post. Maybe it's just what you see or don't see or what you're exposed to in whatever part of the military. I'm sure you're right in accordance to your personal case and I'm sure my friends aren't lying at the same time. I'm sorry for blindly assuming your situation was the same.

On a side note - when you said 9 to 5, I couldn't help but to think about Dolly Parton's tits, circa 1980. Thanks, Clint... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

I don't think you quite understand.... military members dont think to themselves "I'll do whatever my commander says and die for old glory!" we just all share the common mindset that blowing up the mountains of afghanistan sure beats getting killed ourselves.

and just fyi I'm in the position to be deployed worldwide at any moment... do i care? not really... when it comes down to it if im over there i'll have an m-203 and be in control of my own fate.

the public has the idea that the military goes to sleep with an american flag in their arms which is a crock of shit... maybe ate up older military members but us young bucks (the one doing most of the work/fighting) just have the common mindset that dying=not fun

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Um, I have understood just fine - like I said - you must not have been in Bosnia with my friend or have been a flight instructor or have been through and been exposed to the things my friends have - so, your perception might not be like my friends' perceptions - hence the apology for assuming that yours would be the same.

And, ANYONE can go at a moment's notice, but it's not like you're doing anything RIGHT NOW - it's not as if you're on a foreign base, doing peace keeping, or fighting. You're just helping out - here. So, don't assume that your situation is representative of every other person in the military - you're doing a reverse of what I apologized for...

well considering I've been overseas and done my TDY's I can relate.

You're forgetting 40% of our military is overseas yet less than 1% is in harms way. I've been to PSAB in Saudia Arabia OHHHHHH scary right? Wrong its a lush base where you stay in the equivelant of a 4 star hotel and work a 9-5 job. Like i said less than 1% of people "over there" are actually in harms way. Don't let your friends candy coat shit for you chad. Unless they're a marine in one of the active squadrons or an army ranger they are "just helping out"



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ooom papa

*applause*

i think about this a lot too.
what can really be done? it seems like the minute anyone organizes some kind of counter-culture movement, it's labeled, backlashed and carries the "special interest" stigma.

what about enlightenment through education? stay educated, keep informed. consciously think about everything you do in your life - "why am i voting?" "why am i giving money to mcdonalds?" "why did i just throw that paper in the trash?" "why am i watching tv?" - just apply basic logic. influence your friends and your children, or expand your influence through your job (if you're a writer or teacher, for example) and in theory the world could be a better place. not in our generation, but eventually.

but i guess that really wouldn't work, because uneducated people have more children.

so keep thinking...

Yeah, but I'm going to move to america to take advantage of our captalist society. So if you want to run for office, you know who'll be your supporter. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Nevermind - I'm not going to repeat something three times...

now you know how i feel

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I think education is the key - we need to step it up a bit in the curriculum. If people want religion taught in school - teach ALL religions - give everyone a chance to see almost every aspect of everything. Pay teachers more money and close the gaps between the suburban schools and the inner-city schools. Do what some cities already have been doing - promoting books for a city-wide read thingamajob - i.e. Chicago encouraged its citizens to read "To Kill a Mockingbird". Apparently, from what I've heard, there was a huge response - plays, book discussions, readings, lectures - everywhere! That's the kind of thing we need to do. Encourage people to think - it doesn't have to be Mockingbird - just anything.

People love to be inspired - information will do that - there just needs to be enough contributions to pass along that information...