I think its safe to say that throughout human history, 99.99% of the soldiers have been male.
but thats not 100%, so let me change it to a gang war composed ONLY of men should not concern women because there are no women involved.
My point was, just because a man can't get pregnant, it doesn't mean he can't care about abortion.

Yeah but if you bothered to read my post the examples I gave are ones where adoption is not an option. You'd think differently if a close relative or friend was pregnant and liable to die because of it.

Hehe, I agree with you... but I, being a female soldier, just had to point out that the example wasn't great. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

But yeah, you're right. Men, although they're not directly effected, SHOULD have an opinion, because it's an issue that effects everyone indirectly, in one way or another.


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taking a human life is murder, which is true. but the stage (common pro choice statement coming up here) of the fetus when you get an abortion dosent have a heartbeat, and it isnt capable of metabolization, growing, reproduction, and response and adaptation to it's enviornment. so IT IS NOT LIVING, its just as living as.....a lung cell. sure you can take the lung cell out, but it wouldnt do anything, it would just shrivel up and die.
i hope you all understand what im saying.

*yawn*

I figured if anyone was gonna call me on that, it would be you http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Ehh...wrong. Unless you get an abortion 3 weeks after you get pregnant (which during that time it's pretty hard to detect pregnancy in the first place. The heart starts beating then.

But I'm pro-choice. More correctly I'm pro-Darwin. If stupid liberals want to kill their offspring good for them! One less dipshit in the world.

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good job glenn!

Damn, you rule... I was thinking that, but didn't say it.

Yes... to name a few

First of all, in order to give away a child for adoption, you have to deal with being pregnant for nine months... and that's not a picnic if you WANT your baby

Second... if the child isn't white... odds are, it will have a hard time being adopted (at least that's the case here in America)

Third... who the fuck is the government to say what a woman should or should not do with her body?

Fourth... Rape... who the fuck are you to think that a woman should continue her violation for nine months?

Fifth... Pregnancy forces you to give up your way of life. If a woman doesn't want the child, odds are, it won't be a healthy pregnancy... meaning serious reprocussions for the child in the future

last... but my personal favorite...

a dead fetus is a fuck of a lot better than a dead baby in a trash can...

example... look at that prom-mom bitch.

fuck off...

1. It's a FETUS, not a baby

2. Abortion is dealing with a unwanted pregnancy

3. Abortion is a responsible choice for someone who isn't capable of raising a child, or continuing a pregnancy.

4. Sex, is about a hell of a lot more than pro-creation

5. the word MURDER, means "to slaughter with malitious intent" No women walks into a clinic and says, "i fucking hate this thing, kill it."

6. Again, who are you to decide for the rest of society?

1. I had an abortion, and I have never felt guilt or depression.

2. Hell can not be an arguement in this, because that's religious... there is a difference between church and state... sorry, deal with it.

3. I have no reason to be punnished, I did the right thing... FOR ME.

4. I would hardly call it slaughter...especially in the first trimester.

5. Bacteria is a life, a primitive life... lysol isn't banned... why should ru-486 be?

6. Yet again, who the fuck are you to decide for me.

Go fuck yourself... no, better yet, go fuck your youth minister.

*claps* exactly babe!

You can debate and toss around opinions for one hundred fucking years if you want to. We all have them. (opinions)

Thankfully, the bottom line is that IT ISNT UP TO YOU. ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what a woman decides to do with her reproductive life. You decide for YOURSELF. Allow others to decide for themselves. Duh. Its a decision to be made by a woman with her doctor. Period.

And while your at it, stick that "God" stuff up your ass.

Any idiot can figure out that you cannot force a woman to carry a fetus to term if she doesnt want to. What would you have us do, tie her up til delivery time? What is she, a fucking head of cattle?

Dopes.

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Shut up.

but if a woman has sex, is on birthcontrol and uses condoms, and gets pregnant... and she decides to have an abortion, that is not always casual...

it's a hard decision to make.

You missed my point. Reread my post, and you'll see why I think if a woman does all that and get pregant, then getting an abortion is wrong.

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There you have it. Let's all agree to disagree.
Now everyone can shut up and go back to sleep.

I <3 Jen.

I like that opinion just fine. For you...
I'm only saying that you can't force that conviction on me or anyone else.
Its not up to you. Deal.



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It shouldn't just be opinion, friend.

Oh, and by "causal", I mean getting an abortion for the sake of getting an abortion.

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Let me put it to you this way: Don't have sex without willing to accpet the consequences. If you're not ready emotionally or financially to have a kid, then why the hell are you taking this needless risk? If you're too immature or aren't ready to have a kid, then logically, you're too immature or are not ready to be having sex, whether you're willing to admit it or not.

As for doctor's opinion, as I've said, I'm very much pro-choice in any other case, including potential health-related issues.

Oh, and one other thing...All laws start off as opinions.

It's true, it's true.

who the fuck gets an abortion for the sake of having an abortion? wow... i guess someone forgot to mention to you that having an abortion hurts like a bitch...

no fucking masochist would wish that on herself.

so... you believe that a fetus concieved in a rape is different that a fetus concieved on prom night?

anyone can cry "rape"... by your logic, one would need a readon valid enough for you in order to make a decision about THEIR life... but no one, not medical, not governmental, not religious can understand another persons problems...

which is why abortion is and should be, always a PERSONAL decision.

Then why the fuck do people have them?

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Let me put it to you this way: Don't have sex without willing to accpet the consequences. If you're not ready emotionally or financially to have a kid, then why the hell are you taking this needless risk? If you're too immature or aren't ready to have a kid, then logically, you're too immature or are not ready to be having sex, whether you're willing to admit it or not.

people have them because it is the only option they are comfortable with.

Has anyone even read what I've posted?! I think abortion on the grounds that a woman was raped is perfectly fine! The woman was forcibly indulged upon by some creep, and therefore, the prgnancy is not her fault. Casual sex is a conscious choice, and with it comes a risk of getting pregnant. Being raped is not a choice. Therefore, having the choice of an abortion is clearly permissible, because the situation was out of the poor woman's hands.

It's true, it's true.

People have them because they don't want to own up for their actions. They want to play Russian Roullette and yank the gun away when the chamber has a bullet.

what i'm saying is... a fetus concieved in a rape, is the same as a fetus concieved any other time...

if "rape only" was the law, women would be walking into clinics saying "i was raped" and getting their abortions anyway. then, they would be persuaded to go into rape therapy, therefore using up the resources for those who really need the therapy.

protected sex is not playing "russian roulette". it's not taking a gamble... you're making a decision to share your body with someone else in a safe way... if your protection fails, why play russian roulette with the life of a child?

what would you prefer? an aborted fetus, or a dead baby? it's more common than you think. Even if roe vs. wade was overturned, women would still get abortions, whether in a back alley with a coathanger, or in another country...the difference is that now, it's relativly save to abort... the other way, not only a fetus would die, but so could a woman...

now, thinking that's OK isn't very pro-life, is it?

In a way, this is true, and I will mourn the fetuses that get aborted because of this, but it's simply the right thing to do.

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if "rape only" was the law, women would be walking into clinics saying "i was raped" and getting their abortions anyway. then, they would be persuaded to go into rape therapy, therefore using up the resources for those who really need the therapy.

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protected sex is not playing "russian roulette". it's not taking a gamble... you're making a decision to share your body with someone else in a safe way... if your protection fails, why play russian roulette with the life of a child? what would you prefer? an aborted fetus, or a dead baby? it's more common than you think. Even if roe vs. wade was overturned, women would still get abortions, whether in a back alley with a coathanger, or in another country...the difference is that now, it's relativly save to abort... the other way, not only a fetus would die, but so could a woman... now, thinking that's OK isn't very pro-life, is it?

I'm sick of people making up excuses for the bad things people do. Scenario: Row v Wade is overturned: If a woman wants to abort a baby herself, she's not a victim of a bad law, but a victim of her own stupdity and foolishness. It's not the law's fault she made that decision. It's her fault for getting pregnant and stupidly trying to abort it herself. You may think that we're protecting others by keeping abortions legal. To me, this just shows how thoughtless people are. And there are other ways to help these people.

Yes, sex is a gamble, because there is a clear risk involved. Pretending that it isn't is just a means of easing one's conscience on the matter. And if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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In the world that you live in, maybe life is always so neat, tidy and rational. But its not for many women, who live in so many different societies, cultures, that to lay out a belief system so rigid that it couldn't possibly apply to millions of women on whom you feel the right to pass judgement on. Life is not always so clean and predictable. There are as many situations as there are people.
To suggest to ALL to always have thier shit together is totally unrealistic, not to mention ridiculous.

Again, bottom line, its not up to you.

You saying that your pro-choice is laughable. Your for choice if it applies to your narrow view of criteria of acceptability.

Grow up, and stop contradicting yourself.

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i fucking can not STAND pro lifers... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I VOTED FOR GORE!

And this is what we read by one who claims to be pro-choice. Um, yeah.
Do you have a dictionary? Look up c-h-o-i-c-e

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