Cool album - some real Smashing Pumpkins stuff in it.

I'm enjoying the album with each listen, there's nothing wrong with it. If he just recorded new versions of your favourite songs would you clap along and kiss the ground he walked on?

I just want him to reproduce the album and turn the fucking vocals down then I'd love it.

I was kind of disappointed when it was released, my opinion about the album is now more heading towards "complete disaster"

It's okay, got a few good songs on it, namely Bleeding, Starz, That's the Way, and that's about it.

there's just very little to like about it

- production sucks
- style is totally worn out and uncreative
- only 3 or 4 of the songs have redeeming qualities songwriting-wise. songs are bland and directionless generally
- it never gets really heavy nor is it touching in any way
- the dynamic is fucked up

You pay way too much attention to the technical issues, which this album might indeed have. I cannot understand it, I just receive that album as every other music: as an act of artistic expression, not piece of cratsmanship, as you apparently do. Yoo lose much.

Music should be a piece of craftsmanship. If it isnt, you lose much.

No, I like good songs and original music.

ok, let me restate that: it shouldn't be ONLY a piece of craftsmanship.
It's obvious that when I read a book I pay attention to the grammar and mistakes distract me a bit from focusing on, for example, great storyline, but admit it, perfectly written (from a technical point of view) book with shitty content is still crap. The same goes to music and that's what I meant.

i can't wait until this gets released and sells about as much as machina and adore

universally poor reviews are pretty much guaranteed.

you guys are way too sensitive about criticism...

I just heard the WHOLE album and can't believe this is the best they've got

1.2 out of 10 dislike it.

I've listened to it once but the Josh Rouse album leaked around the same time and I've listened to that about 10 times more than the Pumpkins album..

It's good but it's kind of relentness with the heavyness..

I voted that it was ok. It doesn't have the depth of previous SP albums. It has its moments, but I think its better on the whole as background music while I'm doing something else.

only 11% have voted that they don't like it, yet the majority of the postings seem to be negative. This just goes to prove the theory, the people who are the most vocal around here don't like it, but they are still the minority. I voted 'loving it'. I'm surprised some people voted it as their favorite sp album. I can't imagine this one topping SD or MCIS. But to each his own...

I bet the people who voted "it's ok I suppose" arent too happy with a lot of it either.

I like it, and most tracks (especially United States, Bleeding The Orchid, Bring The Light) have very good moments, but overall the album (especially b0lly) sounds slightly emotionless and forced (to me). I remember people stating that Machina sounds emotionless, but compared to Zeitgeist, Machina has a lot of emotions. Yeah and the production puts it down even more.

I´d give it 3.5 - 3.9 stars after listening through it about 20 times. (Gish-SD-MCIS : 5 Stars, Adore : 3 Stars, Machina : 4 Stars)

Maybe its because billy is getting old.

It's OK.


There are a number of songs ruined by the production.( StarZ I'm looking at you)

A few songs that are good anyway.( Bring the light being my favorite)

and a few that just don't grab me at all.( United states, Neverlost,Doomsdayclock)


I think it shows they have the potetntial for greatness but falls short of that.


How the hell is there not one acoustic guitar on the album.

I even got myself really ripped and gave it a spin and it still was not this awe inspiring experience.coincidentally after listening to Zeitgeist in this state i listened to Going for the one by Yes and that was way more awe inspiring.

true, but that still only gives us 24% which is still a minority. It's interesting, I think. I wonder why the people who do like it don't talk about liking it more, but the people who don't like it are very happy to discuss their feelings?

Maybe because negativity is more interesting that positivity.

How many positive stories do news programs run?

I like the album, I wasn;t disappointed. i can't wat to see the album sales reports. i'm betting though that most people won't even bother to buy it after the leak.

I like it but the lack of depth and emotion in the singing and songwriting is not really my style. But hey if you're all about guitar solos then this album is for you.

Considering the level of songwriting that was present on TFE and chicago songs I'm surprised at how bland the songwriting is on Zeitgeist.

It's clear corgan just wanted to have a good time with a lot of the songs. That's fine but most bands I listen to for just fun music generally play and sing with more passion and enthusiasm then is found on this album..

But really I do like the album. There are some amazing songs and some good jams on there.

good point, i think you've hit the mark.

People, not every Bob Dylan album was as good as Blood on the Tracks.

Not every David Bowie album came close to Low or Hunky Dory.

The point is to not be those fans that - when Dylan went electric, or when Bowie went glam - made such a stupid fuss that a generation later, their kids thought, "wow, how f'ing close-minded all those people were then."

Ya know?

It's a good album but honestly, it does not match up to past pumpkin albums.

I'd take Machina over this thing anyday.


Seriously go listen to Age of Innocence or Stand Inside Your Love and tell me that those songs are not about 10x more interesting/beautiful then anything off Zeitgeist.

those that love the album are spending most of their time listening to it, those that hate it are spending their time on this board bitching about it and how they themselves could have made a better record.

i'm surprised there isn't a "Better than Machina" option...

i think some people will appreciate machina more now.

That's not true paranoid.

I've listened to this thing a lot over the past few days.
And even though there are quite a few unbelievably amazing parts.

For example (that little ethereal solo in United States or the vocal overdubs near the end of That's The Way)...


Zeitgeist just seems to be missing something for me right now.


Oh, and I've always thought Machina was a lot better then people gave it credit for on these boards. I'm surprised at how much shit it gets.