The way Billy has handled this reunion makes me respect Axl Rose much more
 

Some fans weren't exactly pleased with how Axl rolled out the GnR reunion, but in comparison to Billy Corgan, he looks great. Here's some bullet points.

- Axl made sure that if they were doing the seating thing that they'd at least need a good chunk of the front of the floor devoted to a pit area... Otherwise there wouldn't be that exciting energy for the band to feed off of. Billy wants absolutely no moving around... This way he can absolutely pillage people by marking up the floor seats closer to the stage. Corgan would rather substitute a good live experience for more money in his pockets.

-Axl made sure that if the original guys weren't going to be present that he would replace them with charismatic players that put on a phenomenal stage show. Guys like Richard Fortus (replacing Izzy) and Frank Ferrier (replacing Adler) had amazing stage presence and technical ability and rocked out much harder than the original guys ever did......... Billy Corgan has literal statues like Jack Bates and Jeff Shroeder filling out the roster... These are total scrap heap musicians I.E. you don't have to pay them much.... Again, it comes down to substituting a better live experience for more money in his pocket.

-Axl made sure to get the best of the best acts to open his shows for his fans to enjoy. Alice In Chains, Lenny Kravitz and Royal Blood in Canada filled out the roster. I don't like Royal Blood, but they seem to be all the rage among rock fans right now.... Billy Corgan is rumored to have Chad Kroeger and Nickelback joining the bill... Again, more about the money and ticket sales than catering to his base.

Axl made sure that if the band would reunite that it wouldn't be a nostalgia jaunt. HE HAD TO HAVE THE NEWER MUSIC SHOWCASED. Slash and Duff actually liked the newer material and were happy to feature it in the live show as it is still a part of the GnR legacy... Billy Corgan and Live Nation are trying to pretend that the past 10 years didn't happen and are guaranteeing only the "oldies"... As a fan of Chinese Democracy, I was really happy to hear some of the choice cuts... Now I don't care for much of the new Pumpkins music, but I gotta imagine there are some people out there who legitimately like it.... Again it comes down to cashing a check over artistic integrity.


All and All, Billy Corgan the "gen-x hero" looks like a complete fucking sell out... Not just in general, but when compared to Axl Rose...The very person Billys movement rebelled against.

Sad.

There are other points that could be included...

Like the ability to secure Adler for guest spots. People might argue that "Billy tried" but again it comes down to execution and money being offered.

Seats are super dumb. It's like he's setting up a cop out if the crowd isn't into it

also

http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1996-07-02

https://ia600504.us.archive.org/15/i...07-02d2t04.mp3

ok

could you consolidate all of your "this reunion is a sham i'm trying to be cool with netphoria" posts into one fucking thread please?

jesus christ.

ok

having nickelback open makes me respect axl by comparison too

These guys will open for Guns n’ Roses in June (2 shows) >>>


https://i.imgur.com/ZlQJskR.png

The same guy that sang "police and niggers, get out of my way"?

I know it varies, but when you have a small section of a pit next to the stage at a huge arena or stadium, aren't those the most expensive tickets? I am not sure he is really going to make much more money by replacing 50 of the 300 or so chair seats with a pit.

It is well known that Billy doesn't like moshing for the safety issues. Pits encourage that.

circle pit or fuck off imho .. safety ha

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=guns+n%27+roses+message+boards

I am all about bringing up Guns N' Roses when it's appropriate, especially considering Billy Corgan appears to be modeling his career after that tour, but even this pushes it a little bit.

fuzzy just wants to talk about gnrses

(and axl's bulge)

lol Lenny Kravitz

GnR are contenders for worst popular band ever for sure

Also, if you really want to talk Guns N' Roses, Ferrer was not a good replacement for Adler, Sorum, or Brain.

I can't think of any other band that has such a giant legacy based on essentially one record.

Sex Pistols?

Interesting fact: SP opened for Guns N' Roses in Oklahoma City on April 6th, 1992 and were booed off the stage.

Gunsnroses > TSP

I always felt between how quickly the famous lineup dissolved after 1993 combined with how much of a running joke it became from then until 2016, people tend to only remember Appetite for Destruction. As someone who lived through GN'R mania, however, I never thought that reputation was deserved. As whole albums, the Use Your Illusion records may be forgotten, but from those two records we got "Live and Let Die," "November Rain," "You Could Be Mine," "Don't Cry," and Knockin' on Heaven's Door," which I still hear on the radio as much as Appetite songs. I think "November Rain" may be the most viewed song of theirs on YouTube.

Fuck no. Not even close. Original SP>>>>>GNR>>>Whatever shit Billy calls SP after “reforming” the band

And I say this as someone whose favorite band was GNR for years. They’re a fun band but SP was so much better at their best.

Their famous lineup started dissolving in 1990 wtf. Has GNR ever written a song worth shit without Izzy Stradlin? Not sure why OP is downplaying his importance to the band (or Adler’s but you could legitimately argue Izzy was the most important member of GNR)

I like some songs on the UYI albums a lot. Some aren’t so good and “My World” is easily one of the worst songs I’ve ever heard.

It speaks to how much Billy sucks that he makes Axl fucking Rose look like a sane, reasonable and nice guy in comparison. I mean Axl is an enormous jackass but he never treated anyone in GNR the way Billy treated D’Arcy.

Velvet Revolver > Zwan

Slash > Jeff

(how squished is you're squash?)

Haven’t listened to Zwan or BC solo albums yet (kind of afraid to based on SP albums post 2000) so can’t comment. VR was meh but I haven’t listened to much of them tbf.

Idk Jeff’s playing that well because I have little interest in watching “new” SP shows but Slash is an excellent guitarist.


Squish Squash is what D’Arcy used to call the band

Matt Sorum used to look like a biker gang Richard Simmons