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Elphenor 01-20-2018 02:25 PM

success for trump means failure for everyone else but the elite few

FlamingGlobes 01-20-2018 02:26 PM

Oh gee, yes, I hope he succeeds at alienating the rest of the globe, deporting half the agricultural workforce, goading us into nuclear war, bringing church and state closer together than ever before and denying climate change, childhood obesity, etc etc?

FlamingGlobes 01-20-2018 02:26 PM

Once Trump is done, we will truly be a Flaming Globe.

:smoke:

MarquisInSpades 01-20-2018 02:41 PM


Tchocky 01-20-2018 03:32 PM

If this was one of Trump's businesses, this is the point where he'd declare bankruptcy and run away.

redbreegull 01-20-2018 03:46 PM

"If there is a shutdown, I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the President of the United States. He's the one who has to get people together!"

–Donald Trump, 2011

redbreegull 01-20-2018 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4410922)
Even as dumb and awful as George W Bush was/is, I don't recall people actually wanting him to fall flat on his face.. But with Trump there's this whole new insanity brewing with liberal people. I just don't get it.

if his agenda is to hurt racial minorities, women, the LGBTQ community, and immigrants, why would we possibly want him to succeed? I do hope he fails, and he has, and will continue to. Your blind obedience to your figurehead no matter what his actions are just underlines your fascist beliefs.

ilikeplanets 01-20-2018 04:41 PM

i hope i can still have health insurance T_T

ilikeplanets 01-20-2018 04:42 PM

i also hope our food keeps getting inspected and the god damn flu keeps being monitored

buzzard 01-20-2018 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4410919)
It's almost as if people would rather Trump destroy the nation than have to admit that he did a pretty good job.

You don't actually think he's doing a good job so far, do you?

LaBelle 01-20-2018 07:42 PM

b.a.i.t.

Disco King 01-21-2018 06:19 AM

Trump shows us the "art of the deal" by walking away from a deal with Schumer on DACA, and preferring to have a government shutdown.

Or at least, the far-right congress members who were the last to have his ear before the decision preferred the government shutdown.

DACA is a conservative bill. It doesn't even give these undocumented immigrants, who have lived in America since childhood, many of whom may have lived many years without even knowing they don't have papers, a pathway to citizenship. It just gives them temporary amnesty and allows them to go to school, get work permits, and pay taxes. But the "family values" far-right can't even stand not tearing families apart and not sending ICE agents to take people from their homes in the night.

Shallowed 01-21-2018 06:23 AM


Cool As Ice Cream 01-21-2018 11:41 AM


Elphenor 01-21-2018 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disco King (Post 4411146)
Trump shows us the "art of the deal" by walking away from a deal with Schumer on DACA, and preferring to have a government shutdown.

Or at least, the far-right congress members who were the last to have his ear before the decision preferred the government shutdown.

DACA is a conservative bill. It doesn't even give these undocumented immigrants, who have lived in America since childhood, many of whom may have lived many years without even knowing they don't have papers, a pathway to citizenship. It just gives them temporary amnesty and allows them to go to school, get work permits, and pay taxes. But the "family values" far-right can't even stand not tearing families apart and not sending ICE agents to take people from their homes in the night.

Republicans are disingenuously hard pushing the narrative that the democrats shut the gov down to favor foreigners over Americans

someone who's lived here since they were a child is an American undocumented or not

fuzzyroes 01-21-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzard (Post 4411068)
You don't actually think he's doing a good job so far, do you?

There's been obvious upsides. The markets are booming, jobs are steadily increasing. A lot of useless red tapes been removed. There's a lot to like if you're an American.

redbreegull 01-21-2018 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4411193)
There's been obvious upsides. The markets are booming, jobs are steadily increasing. A lot of useless red tapes been removed. There's a lot to like if you're an American.

bullshit fox news talking point. ask any real economist how much of an influence a president's policies have on the economy in the span of a year (hint: it's basically no correlation). The Wall Street economy is good because of Barack Obama. The real economy has been spiraling downward for decades and Trump's policies are only furthering the divide between rich and poor

Disco King 01-21-2018 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4411193)
A lot of useless red tapes been removed.

Could you give a few examples?

Elphenor 01-21-2018 05:14 PM

stock markets always boom after tax cuts

it means nothing unless you're someone who lives off of capitol

without progressive wealth redistribution none of that money is "trickling down" to workers and the massive costs will down the line be taken out of programs that benefit the middle class

reprise85 01-21-2018 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4411193)
There's been obvious upsides. The markets are booming, jobs are steadily increasing. A lot of useless red tapes been removed. There's a lot to like if you're an American.

jobs were already increasing and are now increasing at a slower rate than before

Disco King 01-21-2018 06:35 PM

A wealth of evidence also shows that tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy don't actually stimulate the economy or create jobs.

Corporate taxes are the price corporations pay to make profit. Investing in the company through hiring more people is already tax-deductible. So, when you cut corporate taxes, that just creates more incentive to increase profits and shareholder paycheques, and less incentive to create jobs.

The wealthy also don't put their money back into the economy as much as people who need to spend that money for day-to-day expenses do. It goes into their personal investments to make them richer.

LaBelle 01-22-2018 07:05 AM

is it still offline?

FlamingGlobes 01-22-2018 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disco King (Post 4411224)
A wealth of evidence also shows that tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy don't actually stimulate the economy or create jobs.

Corporate taxes are the price corporations pay to make profit. Investing in the company through hiring more people is already tax-deductible. So, when you cut corporate taxes, that just creates more incentive to increase profits and shareholder paycheques, and less incentive to create jobs.

The wealthy also don't put their money back into the economy as much as people who need to spend that money for day-to-day expenses do. It goes into their personal investments to make them richer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4411194)

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FlamingGlobes 01-22-2018 06:17 PM

The only thing I hate more than red tape is the environment. And poor people.

FlamingGlobes 01-22-2018 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbreegull (Post 4411197)
bullshit fox news talking point. ask any real economist how much of an influence a president's policies have on the economy in the span of a year (hint: it's basically no correlation). The Wall Street economy is good because of Barack Obama. The real economy has been spiraling downward for decades and Trump's policies are only furthering the divide between rich and poor

Quote:

Originally Posted by reprise85 (Post 4411201)
jobs were already increasing and are now increasing at a slower rate than before

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4411195)


FlamingGlobes 01-22-2018 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphenor (Post 4411200)
stock markets always boom after tax cuts

it means nothing unless you're someone who lives off of capitol

without progressive wealth redistribution none of that money is "trickling down" to workers and the massive costs will down the line be taken out of programs that benefit the middle class

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4411196)


Disco King 01-23-2018 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphenor (Post 4411200)
it means nothing unless you're someone who lives off of capitol

Even though this is a grammatical error, it's still kinda true.

Those on Capitol Hill benefit from tax cuts, because their corporate and wealthy donors reward them handsomely for them.

(But still, you mean "capital," though.)

Elphenor 01-23-2018 05:09 PM

Yeah I've done that before and you corrected me I don't know what's wrong with me

ilikeplanets 01-23-2018 05:13 PM

i guess my insurance is safe now. for a couple weeks, at least.

MplsTaper 01-24-2018 01:21 PM

Doesn't sound like Don and Melania did much celebrating for their 13th wedding anniversary after the news of Don and Stormy's missionary adventures hit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWP
POTUS did pick up his Twitter mic, but only to poke Democrats on Capitol Hill on a deal to reopen the government after a brief shutdown, and then to gloat about the pact that was struck. “Big win for Republicans as Democrats cave on Shutdown,” he wrote late Monday.



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