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Shadaloo 12-27-2017 09:11 PM

Three Disc Machina
 
After years of digesting the lyrics on and off, one day after listening to sln's GATMOG compilation a lot of it kinda 'clicked' for me so I decided to take a whack at structuring it into an explicitly plot-oriented way that makes sense, in what i think may be its supposed full rock opera form using:

1 - Billy's chart
2 - His vague plot summary
3 - A lot of white wine to soldier through.

Billy probably wrote way too much material. I wouldn't expect the 'double-album' reissue to contain everything here, obviously but I think I'm pretty close to his intended running order in terms of how the story's supposed to go. Call this a bloated extended cut of sorts. I'll try my best to back up what I've placed where if asked, I did this in pieces with extensive notes.

Disc 1:

01. Glass' Theme (Intro)
02. The Imploding Voice (Glass gets his mission from the Eye/Radio)
03. Cash Car Star (GATMOG sets out on tour)
04. Stand Inside Your Love (Glass meets June)
05. The Sacred And Profane (Glass enjoys the hedonism June brings into his life and the adulation of his fans)
06. Real Love (Glass starts questioning how it's possible to balance his mission as a holy man while simultaneously enjoying getting laid)
07. Glass + The Ghost Children (Glass discovers June zonked out on heroin)
08. Innosence (Glass starts getting all sanctimonious and messiah-complexy about June's drug problems)
09. Raindrops + Sunshowers (She distances herself from him and their relationship starts disintegrating)
10. Let Me Give The World To You (Glass tells June to get with the program and quit the drugs)
11. Vanity (Glass tries to cut June out of his life)

Disc 2:

01. White Spyder (The GATMOG album sells poorly, Glass starts to lose it, vacillates between wanting to ask for her back or not)
02. Lucky 13 (He gets in contact with her again, she gives him shit about being sanctimonious, starting an argument)
03. Dross (Argument continues)
04. Go (Final breakup)
05. Speed Kills (June dies in a car crash)
06. Blue Skies Bring Tears (Glass has a nightmare about the end of the world before the concert the next night)
07. Heavy Metal Machine (Concert starts with Glass shitting on his fans)
08. The Crying Tree Of Mercury (continues expressing his misery and disappointment)
09. Wound (Starts railing at a god he no longer really believes exists)
10. Try, Try, Try (Summarizes the 'mission of love' Glass is supposed to be spreading with his band)
11. This Time (End of the final concert, band breaks up)

Disc 3:

01. The Everlasting Gaze (Glass lives in a warehouse alone, forgotten by the public, cursing the Voice/his god)
02. Saturnine (continues losing it, descends into depression)
03. In My Body (cracks and starts grieving)
04. I Of The Mourning (slowly heals, tries to come to terms with what the Voice is asking of him)
05. If There Is A God (tries to reconcile his faith)
06. Slow Dawn (watches people early in the morning, starts undergoing a spiritual change)
07. Home (realizes his mission is to be a wandering prophet, leaves the city)
08. Here's To The Atom Bomb (summary of his message as he starts preaching)
09. With Every Light (End)
10. Age Of Innocence (coda)

Another Machina mystery solved 4evr

slunken 12-27-2017 11:18 PM

You're missing the crucial point in the story where shit hits the fan with June and the band plays its final show

Quote:

This resulting Machinas tracklist is the result of over 14 years of off and on research. I've finally gotten it to the point where I feel it's worth sharing. Based off of official documents.

Act I

1. If There Is A God (full band)
2. Imploding Voice
3. Wound
4. Stand Inside Your Love
5. Real Love
6. Try, Try Try
7. Raindrops + Sunshowers
8. The Sacred and Profane
9. Vanity
10. let me give the world to you

Act II

1. Glass
2. Cash Car Star
3. Heavy Metal Machine
4. Dross
5. This Time
6. Glass and the Ghost Children
7. Go
8. Speed Kills
9. In My Body
10. Saturnine

Act III

1. Blue Skies Bring Tears
2. I Of The Mourning
3. Everlasting Gaze
4. White Spyder
5. Lucky 13
6. Crying Tree of Mercury
7. Home
8. Slow Dawn
9. Atom Bomb
10. With Every Light
11. Age of Innocence

Shadaloo 12-27-2017 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken (Post 4405638)
You're missing the crucial point in the story where shit hits the fan with June and the band plays its final show

That's basically all of my second disc

slunken 12-27-2017 11:39 PM

Where in the canon are you getting stuff like "The GATMOG album sells poorly"?

Sounds like you are creating your own narratives

Shadaloo 12-27-2017 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken (Post 4405646)
Where in the canon are you getting stuff like "The GATMOG album sells poorly"?

Sounds like you are creating your own narratives

Not trying to at all. Right here:

…the new album is released and is not well received by the fans or the general public…

Corgan's narrative is plainly based off his experience with Adore, which did not live up to expectations in the sales dept.

slunken 12-28-2017 12:00 AM

These questions were all a test.

Butt Pope 12-28-2017 12:00 AM

Toots and farts

Woody 12-28-2017 03:26 AM

Act II - wow that’s a laborious listen.

The reality is 50% of Machina 1&2 is just not good. Most of the heavier tracks specifically. Both versions of BSBT are trash.

I recently put together what I consider the definitive one-disc Machina tracklist. It’s what Machina needed to be, to achieve any sort of commercial success - it disregards any sort of the pretentious “narrative mystery” bullshit, turning it into their second-best album outside MCIS. I’m going to post it with it’s own artwork to great fanfare when I can be bothered.

AveryLoren 12-28-2017 03:32 AM

Act II would be my favorite of the three acts. I am very interested in your single disc MACHINA configuration.

Shadaloo 12-28-2017 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody (Post 4405668)
Act II - wow thatís a laborious listen.

The reality is 50% of Machina 1&2 is just not good. Most of the heavier tracks specifically. Both versions of BSBT are trash.

I recently put together what I consider the definitive one-disc Machina tracklist. Itís what Machina needed to be, to achieve any sort of commercial success - it disregards any sort of the pretentious ďnarrative mysteryĒ bullshit, turning it into their second-best album outside MCIS. Iím going to post it with itís own artwork to great fanfare when I can be bothered.

There's 3 though - sln used the version on the FAEOMM tape. That seems to be the one most people prefer, the Arising version. I tend to think Bill put the one he did onto MI because it was all trippy and dreamlike in nature.

Between the musical climate of the time, the album's overall sound and Bill's lofty aspirations to have it be a full-on rock opera, I don't think there was any real way it would have not tanked.

Shadaloo 12-28-2017 04:32 AM

Remember when people thought HMM was the single worst crime Bill committed against music? Those were the days.

Candy Cane 12-28-2017 10:27 AM

I think the lesson is that Glass is a property developer and people in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

FoolofaTook 12-28-2017 01:42 PM

I listened to MII again the other night as I was trudging thru snow around the penintentiary (shit's like a fortress: heavy). Anyways when I wasn't being distracted by mental images of Monte spasming out to Glass' Theme (spacey) I tried to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Home, Vanity, Try alt and Speed Kills are top tier TSP.

Slow Dawn, Real Love, Dross, BSBT, GO, and Saturnine are good.

The rest are ok with a few duds.

T&T 12-28-2017 02:47 PM

pretty sure when billy does the reissue we'll find out the real track order..

righte guyz?

Shallowed 12-28-2017 05:20 PM

SP recorded three discs worth of material, some of it being excellent, some of it being okay, some of it being garbage, and released a single disc album which drew from all three groups.

FlamingGlobes 12-28-2017 05:29 PM

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smashingjj 12-28-2017 06:14 PM

yeah.

1.

smashingjj 12-28-2017 06:15 PM

there are not enough good machina tracks to make one decent album.

T&T 12-28-2017 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashingjj (Post 4405783)
there are not enough good machina tracks to make one decent album.

bullshit there's easily enough songs for a GREAT 60 mins.


01. Glass' Theme
02. Cash Car Star
03. Dross
04. The Imploding Voice
05. Stand Inside Your Love
06. Lucky 13
07. This Time
08. The Everlasting Gaze
09. I Of The Mourning
10. If There Is A God
11. Here's To The Atom Bomb
12. With Every Light
13. Age Of Innocence


honourable mentions I'd ******* but I know they're not other peoples favs:
Real Love
Let Me Give The World To You
Try, Try, Try

FoolofaTook 12-28-2017 07:17 PM

Speed Kills and Home >>>> Soma and Mayo


What now?

FoolofaTook 12-28-2017 07:17 PM

Mood over melody, fools!

Shallowed 12-28-2017 08:02 PM

Those are four of my favourite SP songs

FoolofaTook 12-28-2017 08:18 PM

But witch speed killz? Impossible to choose.

Shadaloo 12-28-2017 08:23 PM

Single B-Side version for me all the way.

FoolofaTook 12-28-2017 08:27 PM

I dunno. The spacey one is gorgeous but the heavy is HEAVY.

Shallowed 12-28-2017 08:34 PM

Machina II by far

Has that monolithic feel

FoolofaTook 12-28-2017 08:57 PM

Purevil feedbackrrr

FoolofaTook 12-28-2017 08:59 PM

I fell ill inside eternal winter, winter
And stood still beside eternal flame

Shadaloo 12-28-2017 09:20 PM

They're both great, but I always felt that the somber mood of the b-side/MI version suited the subject matter way better than the rock version.

Where I lived I could never find the single, so I remember having it in crap mp3 quality playing nonstop on winamp back in the day.

ilikeplanets 12-28-2017 11:43 PM

del i changed my mind about almost everything i said


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