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T&T 06-25-2019 07:41 AM

Songs that use the octave finger pattern
 
This guitar fingering shape was probably billy's biggest contribution to guitar/songwriting. It's a nifty little trick and I don't see any other guitarists use it as much as billy does.
The beatles were known for using the major and the minor chord in the same song (think creep by radiohead). I have the idea that Nirvana deserves credit for using/abusing the 5 chord, where the major/minor status of a chord is truly undefined and the melody forces it's status to change at any moment. From a songwriting state that is pretty clever. I think billy tried to take it one reductive step further by making it simply an octave chord... but with a drone note the effect becomes something completely different.
kudos to you billy.


here's a short list of songs that make heavy use of this technique:

Rhinoceros
Tristessa
Cherub Rock
Hummer
Geek U.S.A.
Silverfuck
Zero
1979
X.Y.U.

fuzzyroes 06-25-2019 07:57 AM

Freak comes to my immediate mind

fuzzyroes 06-25-2019 07:58 AM

For Martha

Shallowed 06-25-2019 08:03 AM

East

FoolofaTook 06-25-2019 08:23 AM

Sun and East.

FoolofaTook 06-25-2019 08:27 AM

(come to my immediate mind)

TuralyonW3 06-25-2019 11:10 AM

LOL Billy's biggest contribution

you know he got this from Jazz guitarists in the 30s-40s right?

FoolofaTook 06-25-2019 11:22 AM

How do you know Jazz musicians in the 30s and 40s didn't listen to that MEGALOTHONAL riff in porcelina thanks to a time machine?

thedeadofnight 06-25-2019 11:41 AM


Funbags 06-25-2019 10:02 PM

Glynis
Jesus is the Sun

fuzzyroes 06-25-2019 10:32 PM

Mayonnaise

paranoid 06-25-2019 10:42 PM

Porcelina, here is no why, chorus of tales of a scorched earth has some, etc.

Yeah Wes Montgomery was ripping off billy big time.

As far as defining chords, depends on song, but heís more defining tonality of a mode, like cherub rock itís a riff on e mixolydian, silverfuck d mixolydian, etc.

He also uses it a lot in guitar leads, thereís moments in geek USA, soma. That shiz all over Siamese dream

paranoid 06-25-2019 10:43 PM

Also where the fuck in for Martha is there an octave riff?

fuzzyroes 06-25-2019 10:45 PM

The guitar break down is mostly octaves, ya dult

paranoid 06-26-2019 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4511432)
The guitar break down is mostly octaves, ya dult

Those are single notes. Iíd call you an idiot but I think by now you know that.

paranoid 06-26-2019 01:08 AM

Lol at “mostly.” Like, NONE of them are octaves.

redbreegull 06-26-2019 01:09 AM

lol

Candy Cane 06-26-2019 01:16 AM

E Mixolydian. D Mixolydian. Octaves. I have no idea what any of this means and it scares me.

paranoid 06-26-2019 01:19 AM

I can’t be bothered to listen to freak but if memory serves right I don’t even think that has octaves?

Run To Me 06-26-2019 01:33 AM

Does that primary riff in inkless come from octaves? Friekin gorgeous riff

paranoid 06-26-2019 01:48 AM

I think so but Iíll listen

Superchrist is another one. And United States.

smashingjj 06-26-2019 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4511432)
The guitar break down is mostly octaves, ya dult

your immediate mind wasn't doing you favours here, was it

smashingjj 06-26-2019 06:36 AM

you dult (sic)

smashingjj 06-26-2019 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thedeadofnight (Post 4511382)

eggsactly. one of the songs I could play quickly when I started playing guitar

sjpaterra 06-26-2019 06:54 AM

Yeah this thread is amazing. How about octaves are ubiquitous with music, just like every other interval. Billy corgans Music is overloaded with perfect fifths. Did he contribute power chords or was it green day or the ramones? Also: Wes Montgomeryís octave game is miles beyond Billyís. This thread sucks. Letís talk about jimmy drumming, thatís impressive, not Billyís half baked pseudosabbath/Hendrix riffage

Shallowed 06-26-2019 07:10 AM

Yeah Billy sucks, he isn't even a good guitarist. I've wasted my life.

jakobtheliar 06-26-2019 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4511432)
The guitar break down is mostly octaves, ya dult

No it's not.

And it's dolt.

houseofglass11 07-01-2019 09:55 PM

Hendrix used it way more than just about anyone. There was actually controversy in Guitar World back in 93' when Billy called the E octave at the 11th fret the "pumpkin chord" and hoards of angry people wrote letters telling him off and Steve Lukather talked shit about Billy in one of the following issues. Lol

jakobtheliar 07-02-2019 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by houseofglass11 (Post 4511947)
Hendrix used it way more than just about anyone. There was actually controversy in Guitar World back in 93' when Billy called the E octave at the 11th fret the "pumpkin chord" and hoards of angry people wrote letters telling him off and Steve Lukather talked shit about Billy in one of the following issues. Lol

been waiting for someone to say this!
he said it was Hendrix inspired but I don't know if that was before or after he said it was the pumpkins chord

FoolofaTook 07-02-2019 10:45 AM

Why should we believe you, if you are a liar?


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