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Big Truck05 04-13-2019 10:00 PM

Listen. I don't play drums, but why the hate for Mike Byrne?
 
Obviously he's a talented musician. What's the beef?

bright_doom 04-13-2019 11:24 PM


Corgan's Bluff 04-13-2019 11:57 PM

From a McDonald's employee to a professional musician for a few years:


reprise85 04-13-2019 11:59 PM

he was terrible for SP. great in his other band.

Corgan's Bluff 04-14-2019 12:04 AM


Skradgee 04-14-2019 12:43 AM

Nice guy, bad fit.
He tried.
Blame Pedobear Billy.
The guy was doomed from the start.

T&T 04-14-2019 09:24 AM

he had no jawline
and all the fried chicken made him have slippy fingers with the drum sticks.

enthusaroo 04-14-2019 10:05 AM

Mike Byrne vs Jimmy Chamberlain - The Ultimate Showdown
 
which one wins?

:banging:

T&T 04-14-2019 10:19 AM

does mike still get driven around by his mom in her minivan?

vs, does jimmy even have a mom?

NovaFritz 04-14-2019 11:22 AM

Great idea for a thread, really looking forward to this discussion.

NovaFritz 04-14-2019 11:24 AM

i don't know actually, people act as though if Oceania and Shitgarden had Jimmy drumming it would somehow be better. really wouldn't make much of a difference

Really, we should embrace him b/c BC has been a dick towards him

teh b0lly!!1 04-14-2019 11:33 AM

i always thought he got much more hate than he deserved. naturally every SP fan became a drum expert and there would be postoffs on the board describing in detail how and why he fucked up the fill to Tristessa.

drummers are by far the most underrated musicians in a band, in the sense that once you take them out or replace them, nothing sounds the same and everything receives a different bone structure. even with a straight 4/4 drummer, like, try to picture Nirvana (yes sorry rock 101 example) with Tommy Lee on drums instead of Grohl. everything changes. so let alone with kind of a one-off musician like Jimmy. he is (was) truly special in what he does (did). no one could ever really sound right playing his parts except him.

tl;dr, Byrne is a powerful young drummer, kudos to him for getting such a big gig at such an early age. he tried his best, it was never quite right, and if i didn't know better about Purple Vicco'rrigan's streak for self sabotage i'd even dare to guess he was being set up to fail.

ninsp 04-14-2019 11:36 AM

He’s like that kid in your high school at the talent show who would get standing ovations from the whole school. Definitely talented, but not good enough to be successful. That’s really all there is to it. He has no touch, it just was bam bam all the time. SP is a band that demands touch, which is Jimmy’s best skill, as a jazz drummer.

That being said, Corgan destroyed the kid, and that’s awful.

ninsp 04-14-2019 11:39 AM

Oceania was great with him, it would’ve been a mid career masterpiece that would’ve kept SP at least as popular as modern day AiC if Iha and Jimmy had played on it.

NovaFritz 04-14-2019 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninsp (Post 4505792)
Oceania was great with him, it would’ve been a mid career masterpiece that would’ve kept SP at least as popular as modern day AiC if Iha and Jimmy had played on it.

yet I can hardly remember a single melody from it

Ram27 04-14-2019 12:40 PM

Agreed about Oceania. Only SP record since 2000 that felt like it had some sort of soul and warmth to it. Might've just been the production, or Billy getting excited with a whole new lineup....but as that era went on the whole thing just got awkward. The whole band had an impossible role to fill, trying to compete with the past. Mike had the hardest time because Jimmy's such a virtuoso and has been drumming longer than Mike has been alive. The age/experience difference in the band was weird too - I'm sure part of the reason he sounds better doing his math rock stuff is because he's with his peers, not trying to be a contributing musician as a mcdonalds worker writing songs with the guy who started and embiggened the band in the first place

re: hate I think part of it was just frustration at how SP was getting shittier and shittier and MB was an easy target. I was a dumb kid just starting to play around that era and it was fun bitching about it too

Ram27 04-14-2019 12:42 PM

who

Corgan's Bluff 04-14-2019 01:35 PM


FoolofaTook 04-14-2019 02:06 PM

:rofl:

Forgotten Child 04-14-2019 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram27 (Post 4505798)
who

Jimmy chamberlin

incubator 04-14-2019 03:17 PM

He was fine and not the worst SP drummer.

Billy made a bad choice - like replacing Messi with some kid off the streets because he can do some fancy tricks - but the kid was decent and almost did Jimmy Chamberlins job, which is a massive achievement.

The hate is mostly jealousy from people upset that Billy didn’t ride in and save them from their fast food jobs.

Corgan's Bluff 04-14-2019 03:59 PM

Chamberlain... The Ultimate Horseshit / Vol. 1 -please!

Corgan's Bluff 04-14-2019 04:14 PM

Still available as a drummer by his website. And you can still have drumming lessons:

http://www.mikebyrnedrums.com

"Mike Byrne is a drummer and musician based out of Seattle, Washington. From 2009 to 2014, Mike played drums for multi-platinum alternative rock band, The Smashing Pumpkins. While with the Smashing Pumpkins, he recorded on several releases including Oceania, the band’s eighth major release. In addition, Mike has performed on several major tours on arena and festival stages worldwide. Mike is also a founding member of Portland based loop-rock band, Bearcubbin’!, and has recently worked with such artists as Kesha, Børns, and Moon Honey."


http://www.mikebyrnedrums.com/#lessons-section

"Mike is currently available for touring, session work, scoring, and drum lessons. Mike is an accomplished drum teacher and teaches students of all ages and abilities. Lessons are available in person at Mike’s studio in the Wallingford neighborhood of Seattle and also via Skype to students in other parts of the country or world."


A Smashing Pumpkins song he posted as a reference for his work:


reprise85 04-14-2019 05:34 PM

sounds pretty good on that

ninsp 04-15-2019 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram27 (Post 4505797)
Agreed about Oceania. Only SP record since 2000 that felt like it had some sort of soul and warmth to it. Might've just been the production, or Billy getting excited with a whole new lineup....but as that era went on the whole thing just got awkward. The whole band had an impossible role to fill, trying to compete with the past. Mike had the hardest time because Jimmy's such a virtuoso and has been drumming longer than Mike has been alive. The age/experience difference in the band was weird too - I'm sure part of the reason he sounds better doing his math rock stuff is because he's with his peers, not trying to be a contributing musician as a mcdonalds worker writing songs with the guy who started and embiggened the band in the first place

re: hate I think part of it was just frustration at how SP was getting shittier and shittier and MB was an easy target. I was a dumb kid just starting to play around that era and it was fun bitching about it too

Absolutely. It is the only SP2 release where Corgan seemed to let the songs cook, so to speak. It feels very organic and has a certain vibe about it. The songs are the most proggy, Grateful Dead hippie music he’d ever done, and he was incredibly excited about it. I know the album is regarded very well outside of here, and that’s because it is solid overall even with Mike and shitty vocals. But even his vocals—outside of Wildflower—aren’t bad and don’t seem half assed like everything else SP2.345.

I’m probably fond of the album and the early live incarnations because I saw them front row at Cain’s Ballroom play Oceania the whole way through and Corgan was so feeling it, and the band seemed very organic, excited about the album. It was sold out, in a tiny venue, and the air was really electric. By the end of the tour we had gotten asscrack, 1/10th full arenas, etc and the band seemed to very visibly falling apart at the seams...but the beginning had lots of potential.

Like most Corgan things, it started earnestly, but he killed it.

ninsp 04-15-2019 09:16 AM

Also that version of Tonight Tonight is probably my favorite live arrangement.

eviltimeban 04-15-2019 10:27 AM

Oceania is good, but the drum production isn't. If the snares had a more "roomy" sound the whole thing could've sounded a lot better.

Still though - Oceania drum sound > Shiny drum sound

SPLATTER 04-15-2019 12:05 PM

Mike's mom's minivan

v

Jimmy's white van

Mals Marola 04-15-2019 12:56 PM

more like chamberLAME, am i right?

#teammike #feelthebyrne #2019 #shinyandohsoSHITE

Mals Marola 04-15-2019 01:00 PM

could Jim Chamberlin ever accomplish the monumental children's-electronic-drumset-going-through-a-prolapsed-anus drum sound that was laid down on Oceania? yeah, you can keep your "jazz chops," bro


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