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fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 08:30 PM

The Sopranos thread
 
Man, I don't know why it took me so long to check out this show. It's fantastic! A lot of really great acting. The Ritchie Aprile character might just be my favorite character yet. Maybe just eking out Chistopher. It's a shame Ritichie's run on the series was so fleeting.

Is there any of you guys who haven't watched it yet? If so, you should check it out and then we can discuss it here. I just finished season 3. I've kinda been binge-watching it and I'm planning on watching it a 2nd time in a slower manner once I finish the series.

Shallowed 07-26-2017 08:32 PM

Chris dies.

redbreegull 07-26-2017 08:33 PM

sometimes people tell me this is the greatest show of all time and I'm like

is it really? I mean i haven't seen it but I don't give a shit about mobsters or New Jersey.

fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 08:36 PM

Yeah man, the premise didn't seem like my cup of tea either. But I checked it out reluctantly and just loved it.

Let's put it this way, if you liked Breaking Bad, you'll love this show. I'm a big BB fan and watching Soprano's you can tell how much Vince Gilligan ripped off from the show. There's countless arcs and character traits that Gilligan straight up lifted. I almost liken it to how Family Guy was "inspired" by The Simpsons.

scottytheoneand 07-26-2017 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4374093)
Yeah man, the premise didn't seem like my cup of tea either. But I checked it out reluctantly and just loved it.

Let's put it this way, if you liked Breaking Bad, you'll love this show. I'm a big BB fan and watching Soprano's you can tell how much Vince Gilligan ripped off from the show. There's countless arcs and character traits that Gilligan straight up lifted. I almost liken it to how Family Guy was "inspired" by The Simpsons.


fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 08:47 PM

I was googling "Breaking Bad Sopranos rip off" just to see if other people noticed it, and this guy articulates a lot of the reasons pretty spot on.

Breaking bad is really just The Sopranos in suburban Albuquerque. Lets look at the facts:

- Dark but morally ambiguous leading man asking the audience to question their own ethics and morals. He does terrible things but he is so badass you are forced to not write him off entirely. Strong Male anti hero's journey to power. (Anthony and Walt)

- Blonde complicit housewife often dealing with their codependence to said ethically questionable husband, constantly dealing with the problems of faith and adultery. (Carmella and Skyler)

- Confused son named after the father so as to force the audience to question how the fathers decisions affect his future. (Tony -> Anthony and Walt -> Walt Jr.)

- The Naive underling heavily influenced and manipulated by the dark bad ass man. (Christopher and Jesse)

- The single bad ass man is not the main feature, but his home life is extremely prominent throught the show. Marital quarrels, child, and financial problems are all front row and center. Something that was originally called "innovative" about the Sopranos.

The reason I say The Sopranos is better is because it doesn't choose or simplify things for you. In the Sopranos, no charachter is an absolute, they are all flawed, believable in their contradictions. In Breaking Bad, Jesse embodies innocence, while Walt goes from good to bad. It tells you what to think instead of making ask and question yourself.

Shallowed 07-26-2017 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4374095)
Dark but morally ambiguous leading man asking the audience to question their own ethics and morals. He does terrible things but he is so badass you are forced to not write him off entirely. Strong Male anti hero's journey to power. (Anthony and Walt)[/i]

This is pretty much required in the gangster genre.

slunken 07-26-2017 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull (Post 4374092)
sometimes people tell me this is the greatest show of all time and I'm like

is it really? I mean i haven't seen it but I don't give a shit about mobsters or New Jersey.

I recently watched it for the first time and got the impression that it's important just because it was the first show of its kind

re: an over-arcing big story told over several seasons on a cable network.

Otherwise, the dumb show left so many storylines and plotholes open it gets really ridiculous.

Never forget the show is satire is and supposed to be comedic.

Paulie is the greatest TV character ever.


fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 09:07 PM

Sure, but those are just the main reasons, I can think of a ton of smaller examples too.

For instance, the plot and vibe of the episode where Pauly And Chris are lost out in the snowy forest and end up camping out in the van is nearly exactly the same as the episode in wh ch the battery dies in the motor-home and Jesse and Walt are stranded in the desert

slunken 07-26-2017 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes (Post 4374103)
Sure, but those are just the main reasons, I can think of a ton of smaller examples too.

For instance, the plot and vibe of the episode where Pauly And Chris are lost out in the snowy forest and end up camping out in the van is nearly exactly the same as the episode in wh ch the battery dies in the motor-home and Jesse and Walt are stranded in the desert

i'm not shitting on the show. breaking bad sucked.

slunken 07-26-2017 09:10 PM

bryan cranston is a terrible actor. like an early jim carrey.

slunken 07-26-2017 09:11 PM

if breaking bad wasn't sold so seriously it would have maybe been a better show. Cranston has no business doing drama. He's a rubberfaced over-actor.

fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 09:12 PM

Oh, I was meaning to reply to Shallow with that reply.

You bring up a good point about the plot-lines that go left unaddressed. I've only been through the first 3 seasons and there was already several. I'm having trouble thinking of the examples off the top of my head but Meadow doing meth seemed like the start of some story arc and then it just goes nowhere.

fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by slunken (Post 4374107)
if breaking bad wasn't sold so seriously it would have maybe been a better show. Cranston has no business doing drama. He's a rubberfaced over-actor.

Hahaha I thought he was pretty great in the show. At least during the first few seasons. It kinda got a little too stupid in the last 2.

teh b0lly!!1 07-26-2017 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by slunken (Post 4374106)
bryan cranston is a terrible actor. like an early jim carrey.

whoa

seriously?

slunken 07-26-2017 09:28 PM

the whole series is based upon a comedy of errors.

might as well have starred charlie chaplin.

slunken 07-26-2017 09:29 PM

no wait what if walt and jesse were laurel and hardie?

slunken 07-26-2017 09:30 PM



how many lbs per week was that, jesse?

slunken 07-26-2017 09:32 PM



you're not being very scientific, stan!

slunken 07-26-2017 09:33 PM



"i watched your girlfriend die"

slunken 07-26-2017 09:36 PM



James Finlayson as Mike

slunken 07-26-2017 09:38 PM



"why don't you do something to help me?!"

redbreegull 07-26-2017 09:55 PM

when you guys are drunk, does music ever sound too fast or too slow to you?

teh b0lly!!1 07-26-2017 10:01 PM

no it sounds PERFECT

redbreegull 07-26-2017 10:11 PM

sometimes I also lose the ability to hear pitch properly. not just like I can't sing in pitch, but I can't even hear it properly when I am really drunk

fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 10:12 PM

Could be a sign of some sorta schizophrenia

fuzzyroes 07-26-2017 10:13 PM

I believe some refer to that as auditory hallucinations

redbreegull 07-26-2017 10:15 PM

lmfao thanks dr. dog scholar

teh b0lly!!1 07-26-2017 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull (Post 4374130)
sometimes I also lose the ability to hear pitch properly. not just like I can't sing in pitch, but I can't even hear it properly when I am really drunk

perhaps you're having difficulty hearing properly over the sounds of your body screaming for you to drink less

teh b0lly!!1 07-26-2017 10:17 PM

no but that sounds pretty frightening tbh. are you hearing warped pitch? does it warble or stay consistent yet off pitch?


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